Well, at least the shield isn’t cracked or shattered this time.
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This is obviously shaping up to be something wholly new and different and never-before-seen in the history of Marvel Publishing.
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I bet the same people complaining about this are also the ones complaining that Bendis and the like do to many issues with all talk and no action.
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I bet the same people complaining about this are also the ones complaining that Bendis and the like do to many issues with all talk and no action.
If Marvel Editorial is telling writers to have heroes fight other heroes now, because heroes fighting villains is antiquated and dull, then what they’re fighting about should have some relevance to the real world. AvX doesn’t have that; the mutants are possessed, so to speak, by the Phoenix Force, so they’re not responsible for their actions. The quadruply-retconned Scarlet Witch from “Avengers Disassembled” now isn’t responsible for her actions, since she was possessed by the Life Force; if she’s a major player in AvX, who knows what her actual power is any more, with all the retcons?
If the heroes are going to fight, they should be fighting over some serious differences based on identifiable principles, not because Marvel Editorial can’t think of anything else to do with them.
SRS
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Of course it’s WAR! Everyone knows you put the mustard then the relish and finally the ketchup on the hot dog or in this case the shield and any other order is just sacrilege.
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How long until the teaser with the broken Iron Man armor/mask? I say it hits before Thursday.
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I KNEW IT
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Synsidar-
They’ve been fighting since issue one, long before the Phoenix force showed up. I think it’s worked in some aspects and others it hasn’t, definitely not as good as Civil War but both do sides have a real reason to fight. You get the impression that Cyclops genuinely feels his people are being threatened. If you read the his overall arc from way back in Messiah Complex to X-Force to Schism to now it works pretty well.
You could make a case for Cap being a George W. Bush parable. He was caught unprepared when Scarlet Witch went crazy (9-11)and when he saw the Phoenix thing he jumped the gun because felt guilty about last time (invading iraq)
The Phoenix 5 things does seem like more of a stall to make the series run longer.
I do agree with you on the Scarlet Witch thing though.
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They’ve been fighting since issue one, long before the Phoenix force showed up.
Yes, they’ve been fighting, but that was because Cyclops believed that the Phoenix Force (PF) was going to cause a mutant Rapture of sorts, and the Avengers believed that the PF was going to wipe out human life on Earth. So, the Avengers fight the mutants and try to “kill” the PF, and trying to kill it causes the PF to possess five mutants, instead of Hope, who proceed to try to make Earth a utopia for everybody.
There’s no logical connection between events. Instead of going from A to B to C, or debating choices, the storyline went from A to Zyggl in another dimension. The writers can’t have everybody involved be wrong about what the PF was going to do, or there’s no distinction between the heroes being wrong and the writer not knowing what he’s doing.
SRS
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So where does the “new” Nova fit into all of this?
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Next teaser image will definitely be Hulk’s pants flapping in the breeze or floating on water.
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World Civil Secret Spider Mutant War Hulks! Fuck yeah! Except not really, and I agree with Synsidar.
Marvel had a real choice to make after civil war and the death of Steve Rogers. There was a choice, and a consequence, which should have reverberated through every book, and it would have been so easy, but that resonance wasn’t carried over and its been so hard to find anything that matters in a marvel book since, and when it doesn’t matter what’s the point.
When is it not war?
Well, at least the shield isn’t cracked or shattered this time.
This is obviously shaping up to be something wholly new and different and never-before-seen in the history of Marvel Publishing.
I bet the same people complaining about this are also the ones complaining that Bendis and the like do to many issues with all talk and no action.
If Marvel Editorial is telling writers to have heroes fight other heroes now, because heroes fighting villains is antiquated and dull, then what they’re fighting about should have some relevance to the real world. AvX doesn’t have that; the mutants are possessed, so to speak, by the Phoenix Force, so they’re not responsible for their actions. The quadruply-retconned Scarlet Witch from “Avengers Disassembled” now isn’t responsible for her actions, since she was possessed by the Life Force; if she’s a major player in AvX, who knows what her actual power is any more, with all the retcons?
If the heroes are going to fight, they should be fighting over some serious differences based on identifiable principles, not because Marvel Editorial can’t think of anything else to do with them.
SRS
Of course it’s WAR! Everyone knows you put the mustard then the relish and finally the ketchup on the hot dog or in this case the shield and any other order is just sacrilege.
How long until the teaser with the broken Iron Man armor/mask? I say it hits before Thursday.
I KNEW IT
Synsidar-
They’ve been fighting since issue one, long before the Phoenix force showed up. I think it’s worked in some aspects and others it hasn’t, definitely not as good as Civil War but both do sides have a real reason to fight. You get the impression that Cyclops genuinely feels his people are being threatened. If you read the his overall arc from way back in Messiah Complex to X-Force to Schism to now it works pretty well.
You could make a case for Cap being a George W. Bush parable. He was caught unprepared when Scarlet Witch went crazy (9-11)and when he saw the Phoenix thing he jumped the gun because felt guilty about last time (invading iraq)
The Phoenix 5 things does seem like more of a stall to make the series run longer.
I do agree with you on the Scarlet Witch thing though.
Yes, they’ve been fighting, but that was because Cyclops believed that the Phoenix Force (PF) was going to cause a mutant Rapture of sorts, and the Avengers believed that the PF was going to wipe out human life on Earth. So, the Avengers fight the mutants and try to “kill” the PF, and trying to kill it causes the PF to possess five mutants, instead of Hope, who proceed to try to make Earth a utopia for everybody.
There’s no logical connection between events. Instead of going from A to B to C, or debating choices, the storyline went from A to Zyggl in another dimension. The writers can’t have everybody involved be wrong about what the PF was going to do, or there’s no distinction between the heroes being wrong and the writer not knowing what he’s doing.
SRS
So where does the “new” Nova fit into all of this?
Next teaser image will definitely be Hulk’s pants flapping in the breeze or floating on water.
World Civil Secret Spider Mutant War Hulks! Fuck yeah! Except not really, and I agree with Synsidar.
Marvel had a real choice to make after civil war and the death of Steve Rogers. There was a choice, and a consequence, which should have reverberated through every book, and it would have been so easy, but that resonance wasn’t carried over and its been so hard to find anything that matters in a marvel book since, and when it doesn’t matter what’s the point.