Over the weekend, Tom Spurgeon spotlighted the return of two old school members to the Fantagraphics mansion with Mike Catron and Preston White joining as editor and designer, respectively. Catron is actually the co-founder of Fantagraphics, going back to the Virginia/Connecticut origins of the company as The Nostalgia Journal. White (who was known as “Peppy” in the olden days) was a designer for many of the seminal ’80s publications.

Although the hirings are notable in and of themselves, in an interview with Catron, the element of Catron’s life we’re most concerned with is briefly mentioned:

SPURGEON: I and others have seen you in recent years making tapes of some of the panels at conventions, I believe particularly those focused on older cartoonists. What led you to do that? Do you have plans for that material? Are there one or two panels or even moments that you’ve caught with which you’re particularly happy?

CATRON: What led me to start videotaping panels at comics conventions was that I didn’t see anyone else doing it. Here were all these important figures from the history of comics answering all sorts of questions and providing a wealth of detail about our comics heritage and it was all just being written on the wind. I started taping as a way of preserving as much as I could of that for myself and future generations. As for plans for that material, I have nothing currently in the works. Ultimately, I would like to find a useful way to share it. There are lots of moments that I’m very glad I caught on tape, including some quite emotional ones. Lots of funny stuff, too. Someday.

Catron is indeed that red-headed guy you have seen countless times taping comic book panels at various shows across the nation for more than 20 years. We’ve had many conversations with him about those tapes—they are one of the great priceless, irreplaceable treasures of comics history. Catron hasn’t been able to do much with them due to permissions and the like—presumably a lot of those are missing—and the collection isn’t that organized. We suggested getting some kids in from SVA or wherever to at least try to catalog them. Since Catron has moved to the West Coast, that might not be so easy now.

Hopefully that “someday” will come…someday.

Over at FLOG, they have released the back cover for Jaime Hernandez’s God & Science: Return of the Ti-Girls, a collection of the story from the first two issues of LOVE AND ROCKETS: NEW STORIES VOLS. 1 AND 2.

While Jaime’s story from volumes 3 and 4 “The Love Bunglers” has rightfully been held up as one of the greatest comics of all times, for a lighter course, this might be a suitable choice. We can’t help but think that all of the people calling for great superhero stories featuring women will find Ti-Girls a masterpiece, as well, an entire superhero universe made up of nothing but superheroines of various shapes and sizes.

It’s jaunty Jaime to be sure, but even so probably one of the best superhero stories of the last decade.

Oh, here’s the front cover:

Fantagraphics is having a four-day 40% off sale featuring some amazing books by Gilbert Hernandez, Robert Williams, Jules Feiffer, Carol Tyler, and more. You really can’t go wrong with anything on the list, but here are a few of our own picks:

ABANDONED CARS by Tim Lane — hardboiled short stories where no good ever comes, shown with gloriously retro art.

ARTICHOKE TALES by Megan Kelso. An intimate story of war in a deceptively charming fantasy setting.

Daddy’s Girl by Debby Drechsler — quite simply one of the most horrific and powerful comics of all time.

Drinky Crow’s Maakies Treasury by Tony Millionaire — a giant collection of Millionaire’s Rabelaisian stories of the joys of alcohol and the sea? If you don’t want that on your shelf you need to be kicked out of comics.

Fuzz & Pluck: Splitsville [with FREE Signed Bookplate] by Ted Stearn — this is the cult cartoonists’ cult comic strip — dark-humored tales of a rooster and bear in the classic comedy duo vein.

I Killed Adolf Hitler by Jason — look, we already told you this is one of our favorite comics of all times, and we won’t stop until everyone has a copy, okay?

NIGHTMARE ALLEY by Spain — a grim novel from the ’30s gets a powerful adaptation by Spain, a neglected comics master.

PIM & FRANCIE by Al Columbia — if you love comics — as I do — as a medium where unique creative visions are allowed to find expression with an acceptance few arenas can offer, then Al Columbia is the poster child for that. This unique, one of a kind book will have you rubbing your mind with bleach afterwards, but loving every minute.

The Chuckling Whatsit by Richard Sala. Scary, mystery, creepy. You cannot go wrong with Richard Sala!

You’ll Never Know by Carol Tyler — a beautiful, thoughtful exploration of World War II and what it meant to one man and his family.

“I think a solid core of high-selling mainstream-y genre comics would be nice, but it really hasn’t happened (except for arguably the manga phenomenon, and I don’t get the impression that the success of manga has bled back into non-manga comics) and “art comics” have achieved enough big successes now (Persepolis in particular) that we may be stuck with the image of book-sized graphic novels as being serious literary work… or archival collections of initially mainstream work that have since acquired the patina of art. (It’s weird to see the Onion AV Club list reprints of comic strips like Peanuts and Popeye in their “art comics” review section given that these strips were originally read by an audience two or three orders of magnitude larger than whoever is reading the “mainstream” comics. But that’s one of the paradoxes of culture for you.) I don’t think American comics will ever have a Stieg Larsson or Stephen King. I know even Art Spiegelman is now pining for more vulgar, populist fare to shake out some of the graphic novel stuffiness (which he realizes he himself is to a large degree responsible for!) but it may just not be in the cards. We may be stuck with comics as art.”
–Fantagraphics co-publisher Kim Thompson in a thorough, similarly frank, and informed interview at The Comics Reporter

This month’s release of the first volume of Fantagraphics’ Carl Barks reprints is call for rejoicing. There have been many reprint projects centered on Barks’ work, but they must have been designed by the three bears: one was too expensive, one was too cheap, one had garish color, and so on. This new effort — reprinted in handsome hardcovers with simple coloring by Rich Tommaso that recalls the original limited coloring without a lot of fanfare.

I think a lot is going to be said as more of Barks’ work becomes available in a world where the bodies of work of the great cartoonists are becoming increasingly available — it is the golden age of the comics reprint, after all. For now, this conversation between James Romberger and Gary Groth will serve as a good introduction.

Fantagraphics has a 17-page pdf preview available on their site. In the meantime, here’s a seven-page preview of that preview. And these may be the seven of the greatest comics pages ever. Enjoy.

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Well, the Beatrix gushed over their Spring 2012 titles, so I guess I’d better review the Fall titles from Fantagraphics.

First, let me say this won’t feature everything.  I appreciate all the cool stuff they publish, but a lot of it just doesn’t interest me.  You probably have different tastes, so feel free to comment down below.  Here’s the FBI page for 2011 releases, so go take a look.  Fanta also has a bargain bin, so you’ll probably find something in your price range!  They also have special offers for new titles, so please take a look!  (If you’re going to ship your book bucks to Washington, it’s better to send them to Fantagraphics than Amazon!)  Click on the titles below to go to the official pages on the FBI website!

So, here’s what I find interesting.

For (what is hoped) the final time here on Coming Attractions:

Action! Mystery! Thrills!: Great Comic Book Covers 1936-45

by Greg Sadowski (Editor)

The Cabbie: Book One

by Marti , Art Spiegelman (Introduction)

500 Portraits

by Tony Millionaire

The Man Who Grew His Beard

by Olivier Schrauwen

Mark Twain’s Autobiography 1910-2010

by Michael Kupperman

The Armed Garden and Other Stories

by David B.

Mome Spring 2011 [sic]

by Eric Reynolds (Editor)

Like a Sniper Lining Up His Shot

by Jacques Tardi (Illustrator) , Jean-Patrick Manchette

The Hidden

by Richard Sala

Even More Old Jewish Comedians

by Drew Friedman , Jeffrey Ross (Introduction)

The Crumb Compendium

by Carl Richter

Is That All There Is?

by Joost Swarte , Chris Ware (Introduction)

Young Romance: The Best of Simon & Kirby’s Romance Comics

by Jack Kirby , Joe Simon , Michel Gagne (Editor)

Mr. Twee Deedle: Raggedy Ann’s Sprightly Cousin: The Forgotten Fantasy Masterpieces of Johnny Gruelle

by Johnny Gruelle , Rick Marschall (Editor) , Tony Millionaire (Introduction)

The Sincerest Form of Parody: The Best 1950s MAD Inspired Satirical Comics

by John Benson , Jay Lynch (Introduction)

Nancy Is Happy: Complete Dailies 1943-1946

by Ernie Bushmiller , Daniel Clowes (Introduction)

The Life and Death of Fritz the Cat

by R. Crumb

Glitz-2-Go

by Diane Noomin

Amazing Mysteries: The Bill Everett Archives

by Blake Bell (Editor) , Bill Everett (Illustrator)

Bill Griffith: Lost and Found: Comics 1969-2003

by Bill Griffith

Flannery O’Connor: The Cartoons

by Flannery O’Connor , Kelly Gerald (Editor) , Barry Moser (Foreword by)

Fantagraphics Books has posted their releases for early 2012 and a link to their catalog to see for yourself, but here are some very tasty highlights:

• Highly anticipated and much-demanded projects like Significant Objects, Sexytime, Barnaby, Gary Panter’s Dal Tokyo, the Mort Meskin collection Out of the Shadows, Malcolm McNeill’s Ah Pook art book and accompanying memoir of working with William S. Burroughs, our first two EC Comics collections, Basil Wolverton’s Spacehawk, and George Herriman’s Stumble Inn

• New collections from Josh Simmons, Gilbert Hernandez (Venus!), Jaime Hernandez (the Ti-Girls!), and Tom Kaczynski

• European greats like Nicolas Mahler, Jacques Tardi, Gabriella Giandelli, cover star Guy Peellaert (with the previously-announced The Adventures of Jodelle), Lorenzo Mattotti, Ulli Lust, and the Kolor Klimax Nordic comics anthology

• More translated manga masterpieces from Shimura Takako (more Wandering Son) and Moto Hagio (the previously-announced The Heart of Thomas)

• New volumes of The Complete Peanuts, Walt Disney’s Mickey Mouse, Captain Easy, The Carl Barks Library (Unca Scrooge!), Joe Daly’s Dungeon Quest and Carol Tyler’s You’ll Never Know

• Works of comics history and scholarship from Fredrik Strömberg and Blake Bell

• Softcover editions of our acclaimed fiction tomes from Stephen Dixon and Alexander Theroux

• New editions of classics like Drew Friedman’s Any Similarity to Persons Living or Dead Is Purely Coincidental, The Complete Crumb Comics Vol. 1 (expanded with never-before-published art!), and Crumb’s Your Vigor for Life Appalls Me

Long, long delayed by difficulties finding the source materials, volume one of Fantagraphics’ long awaited reprinting of Pogo: The Complete Daily & Sunday Comic Strips, Vol. 1: Through the Wild Blue Wonder by Walt Kelly is finally at the printers, Mark Evanier announces:

My friend, the lovely Carolyn Kelly, lovingly supervised the loving restoration of her lovely father’s lovely strip and she also did the lovely design of this lovely book and its lovely dust jacket and the lovely imprints under that lovely dust jacket. Sure sounds like a labor of love to me. Not that the contents need any help but the strips are supplemented by a foreword from writer (and friend o’ Walt’s) Jimmy Breslin and essays/annotations by Steve Thompson, R.C. Harvey and myself. If I were you, I’d read all that text stuff after I read the strips themselves about eleven times.

Each volume contains two years of Walt Kelly’s magnum opus. Since the first year started in mid-year, there’s room in the book to also include the pre-syndication Pogo strips he did for The New York Star, a short-lived newspaper for which he worked. This gives you the chance to observe from Day One and watch as it develops steadfastly from a darn good newspaper strip to something a lot better than just “darn good.” Working on this collection, that was my constant thought: “Gee, it just gets better and better, doesn’t it?”

Although it looked whimsical enough, Pogo wasn’t afraid to jab hard on the political foibles of the day, and created such memorable characters as Albert the Alligator, Churchy La Femme, and Mam’selle Hepzibah. If you notice more than a bit of Kelly’s drawing style in Jeff Smith, well it’s no accident. Pogo’s return in a new collection is happy news indeed.

Over on his blog, Norwegian superstar Jason has revealed the front and back covers for October’s JASON CONQUERS AMERICA,
a 32-page tribute to all things Jason:

Celebrating 10 years of Jason being published in the US, this comic-book-format one-shot is a Jason fan’s dream, with lots of previously unpublished Jason strips and artwork, an interview with Jason’s colorist Hubert, a checklist of all Jason’s books, a Q&A with the man himself, and a visual tributes gallery by several American cartoonists to the towering, taciturn Norwegian genius including Michael Allred, Kim Deitch, and Rich Tommaso.

Who knew this would ever be a coffee table book?

Fantagraphics announced at their panel Saturday that they will be republishing two comics classics which so far have yet to receive the deluxe treatment: the EC Comics library and a complete collection of the influential early indie anthology Zap Comix. The complete collection of Zap Comix, which was created by Robert Crumb, is two volumes and 800 pages long. EC Comics, however, was a comics industry stalwart for years before changes in comics forced it to close, and even a library of its highlights will be many volumes in length. Fantagraphics is approaching the project by organizing the material by creator and theme – the first four volumes will collect all of Harvey Kurtzman’s EC war stories, Wally Wood’s suspense comics, all of Al Williamson’s EC science fiction comics and Jack Davis’s EC horror comics.

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Ah… July….The Fourth, dog days, and… San Diego!

So much good stuff!  Bestselling author Christopher Moore writes a graphic novel!  Ray Bradbury, Grandmaster, has two classics adapted!  Grant Morrison writes about superheroes and religion!  Disney and Hitler, together again!  Girlie comics from Marvel!  “Good Girl” comics from Jim Silke, Doug Sneyd, and Dean Yeagle!  Great Women comics from Gail Simone, Colleen Coover, Megan Kelso, Jill Thompson, and Corinne Mucha!  (Can’t find female creators on the newsstands?  Check the bookshelves!)  And lots of masterful work from Jim Lee, Todd McFarlane, Jim Starlin, and Floyd Gottfredson!

The following is a selection of new comics titles due to be published in June 2011. This list is not comprehensive, just what I’ve discovered browsing the Internet.Below, you’ll find selected titles which caught my interest.If you would like to browse forthcoming graphic novels and related books at your leisure, click here. These are not necessarily titles I will purchase, but which I will definitely look at once they arrive at my local comics shop or bookstore.  If you click that link above, you’ll see all the graphic novels at BN.com, sorted by date.  Please be advised that publication dates are not set in stone, titles may change, and covers may be altered.  Also, your local comics shop might receive copies before your local neighborhood website or library.I consider my tastes to be rather eclectic. If you feel I’ve neglected or slighted a title, publisher, or creator, please feel free to mention it in the comments below. Yes, you may promote your own work, but please include the ISBN for easy searching (and shopping!)

Disclaimer: I am employed by Barnes & Noble. This and any other posts by me at this site have no official connection to B&N. As always, feel free to send us your PR. Even better, send us some free books!

King Aroo, Volume 2
by Jack Kent

• $ 39.99
• Pub. Date: July 2011
• Publisher: Idea & Design Works, LLC
• Format: Hardcover, 360pp
• ISBN-13: 9781600107825
• ISBN: 1600107826

Walt Disney’s Comics and Stories Archives, Volume 1
by Floyd Gottfredson, Al Taliaferro

• $ 14.99
• Pub. Date: July 2011
• Publisher: Boom! Studios
• Format: Paperback, 160pp
• ISBN-13: 9781608866571
• ISBN: 1608866572

Gingerbread Girl
by Colleen Coover, Paul Tobin

• $ 12.95
• Pub. Date: June 2011
• Publisher: Top Shelf Productions
• Format: Hardcover, 112pp
• ISBN-13: 9781603090803
• ISBN: 1603090800

Gary Groth has been tapped to play Christian Walker in Powers. Oops, wrong headline.

Today’s slam dunk interview is Alex Dueben’s chat with Fantagraphics’ publisher Gary Groth, probably just because on the internet a frank discussion with a knowledgeable comics publishing figure is about as common as a humble moment from LeBron. Throw in that he has stellar vocabulary skills, and you have a winner.

For instance, on Borders

How has the Borders bankruptcy and their problems and the closing of stores affected the book trade?

I don’t think it’s affected us. I think whenever something happens like when Borders closes, something comes and fills that gap, even if that something is only Amazon. Borders didn’t affect us at all, because Borders didn’t buy many of our books. As you probably know, the book buyer at Borders was apparently obsessed with manga and bought almost exclusively manga. Of course it would have been nice to have been sold in Borders for all those years, but we weren’t. Trying to be sold in Borders was like beating our heads against a brick wall, so when they went under, we didn’t suffer at all. Barnes and Noble is still strong. We’re strong with independents. There are a number of chain stores in the South that we sell pretty well to, like Books-A-Million. Amazon is either the first or second largest seller of our books.

Many other tidbits, including that reprints of comics strips sell beter than new GNs (“Why that is, kind of puzzles me.”) and a plan to get all of Fantagraphics books into digital format in a year’s time.

Groth also gives his take on the Relaunch in typically blunt fashion:

It seems like a pitiful attempt to con more people into buying the same old shit. I probably shouldn’t be so cynical. I’m sure that some brilliant talent could breathe some life into this stuff. Like I said, I’m not one to talk. I haven’t read this stuff, but it just seems so completely uninteresting to me, and in a way, it’s idiomatically alien to me. We get a box of comics from DC every so often and I’ll look through it. Stylistically, the work kind of repels me. It’s too frenetic and manga-influenced. I’m way too old for that stuff. I wish I could be a more cogent commentator on that stuff, but then I’d have to devote time to actually looking at it.

Some might be puzzled by Groth’s description of DC’s art style as “manga-influenced,” however.

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Ah… Memorial Day approaches, and with it, summer vacation.  Day after day of nothing which must be done, but full of possibilities!  Maybe an escape to the air-conditioned refuge of your local library.  Perhaps a day spent on the porch, sipping something cold and sinful (I prefer Brown Cows, served in a large ice tea glass).  Or maybe hiding away up in a hayloft, or deep in a cool root cellar, where no one can find you.  Whatever your preference, there’s nothing like a good book to make you forget the world around you.  Below are some suggestions for your summer reading pleasures.  (And if you need a nap to avoid the afternoon heat, give your kids something to read.  It’ll keep them quiet long enough for you to recharge your batteries.)

The following is a selection of new comics titles due to be published in June 2011.   This list is not comprehensive, just what I’ve discovered browsing the Internet.  Below, you’ll find selected titles which caught my interest.  If you would like to browse forthcoming graphic novels and related books at your leisure, click here. These are not necessarily titles I will purchase, but which I will definitely look at once they arrive at my local comics shop or bookstore.

If you click that link above, you’ll see all the graphic novels at BN.com, sorted by date.

Please be advised that publication dates are not set in stone, titles may change, and covers may be altered. Also, your local comics shop might receive copies before your local neighborhood website or library.  I consider my tastes to be rather eclectic. If you feel I’ve neglected or slighted a title, publisher, or creator, please feel free to mention it in the comments below. Yes, you may promote your own work, but please include the ISBN for easy searching (and shopping!)

Disclaimer: I am employed by Barnes & Noble. This and any other posts by me at this site have no official connection to B&N.   As always, feel free to send us your PR. Even better, send us some free books!

Deadpool Team-Up
by Cullen Bunn, Tom Fowler (Illustrator), Matteo Scalera (Illustrator), Rob Williams

• $ 19.99
• Pub. Date: June 2011
• Publisher: Marvel Enterprises, Inc.
• Format: Hardcover, 168pp
• ISBN-13: 9780785151395
• ISBN: 0785151397

Captain America: To Serve and Protect
by Mark Waid, Ron Garney (Illustrator), Dale Eaglesham (Illustrator)

• $ 24.99
• Pub. Date: June 2011
• Publisher: Marvel Enterprises, Inc.
• Format: Hardcover, 192pp
• ISBN-13: 9780785150824
• ISBN: 078515082X

Deadpool Max: Nutjob
by David Lapham, Kyle Baker (Illustrator)

• $ 24.99
• Pub. Date: June 2011
• Publisher: Marvel Enterprises, Inc.
• Format: Hardcover, 144pp
• ISBN-13: 9780785148500
• ISBN: 0785148507

Captain America: American Nightmare
by Mark Waid, Andy Kubert (Illustrator), Patrick Zircher (Illustrator), Kurt Busiek, Roger Stern

• $ 24.99
• Pub. Date: June 2011
• Publisher: Marvel Enterprises, Inc.
• Format: Hardcover, 248pp
• ISBN-13: 9780785150848
• ISBN: 0785150846

Fantastic Four by Waid and Wieringo Ultimate Collection Book 1
by Mark Waid, Mike Wieringo (Illustrator), Mike Buckingham (Illustrator)

• $ 24.99
• Pub. Date: June 2011
• Publisher: Marvel Enterprises, Inc.
• Format: Paperback, 208pp
• ISBN-13: 9780785156550
• ISBN: 0785156550

Walt Disney Treasury: Donald Duck, Volume 1
by Don Rosa

• $ 14.99
• Pub. Date: June 2011
• Publisher: Boom! Studios
• Format: Paperback, 160pp
• ISBN-13: 9781608866564
• ISBN: 1608866564

Level Up
by Gene Luen Yang, Thien Pham

• $ 19.99
• Pub. Date: June 2011
• Publisher: First Second
• Format: Hardcover, 160pp
• ISBN-13: 9781596437142
• ISBN: 1596437146

Anya’s Ghost
by Vera Brosgol

• $ 19.99
• Pub. Date: June 2011
• Publisher: First Second
• Format: Hardcover, 224pp
• ISBN-13: 9781596437135
• ISBN: 1596437138

Isle of 100,000 Graves
by Fabien Vehlmann , Jason (Artist)

• $ 14.99
• Pub. Date: June 2011
• Publisher: Fantagraphics Books
• Format: Paperback, 56pp
• ISBN-13: 9781606994429
• ISBN: 1606994425

Walt Disney’s Mickey Mouse: Race to Death Valley
by Floyd Gottfredson

• $ 29.99
• Pub. Date: June 2011
• Publisher: Fantagraphics Books
• Format: Hardcover, 260pp
• ISBN-13: 9781606994412
• ISBN: 1606994417

Al Capp’s Complete Shmoo, Volume 2: The Newspaper Strips
by Al Capp

• $ 49.99
• Pub. Date: June 2011
• Publisher: Dark Horse Comics
• Format: Hardcover, 188pp
• ISBN-13: 9781595827203
• ISBN: 159582720X

Congress of the Animals
by Jim Woodring

• $ 19.99
• Pub. Date: June 2011
• Publisher: Fantagraphics Books
• Format: Hardcover, 104pp
• ISBN-13: 9781606994375
• ISBN: 1606994379

Trouble by Mark Millar
by Mark Millar, Terry Dodson (Illustrator)

• $ 19.99
• Pub. Date: June 2011
• Publisher: Marvel Enterprises, Inc.
• Format: Hardcover, 120pp
• ISBN-13: 9780785150862
• ISBN: 0785150862

Forget Sorrow: An Ancestral Tale
by Belle Yang

• $ 23.95
• Pub. Date: May 2010
• Publisher: Norton, W. W. & Company, Inc.
• Format: Hardcover, 256pp
• ISBN-13: 9780393068344     [Preview available]
• ISBN: 039306834X

Flight, Volume 8
Edited by Kazu Kibuishi

• $ 27.00
• Pub. Date: June 2011
• Publisher: Random House Publishing Group
• Format: Paperback, 288pp
• ISBN-13: 9780345517388
• ISBN: 0345517385

Dean Motter’s Mister X: The Brides of Mister X and Other Stories
by Dean Motter, Shane Oakley (Artist), Jeffrey Morgan, Peter Milligan, D’Israeli (Artist)

• $ 49.99
• Pub. Date: June 2011
• Publisher: Dark Horse Comics
• Format: Hardcover, 320pp
• ISBN-13: 9781595826459
• ISBN: 1595826459

Baltimore, Volume 1: The Plague Ships
by Mike Mignola, Ben Stenbeck (Artist), Christopher Golden, Joe Hill (Introduction) , Dave Stewart (Artist)

• $ 24.99
• Pub. Date: June 2011
• Publisher: Dark Horse Comics
• Format: Hardcover, 136pp
• ISBN-13: 9781595826732
• ISBN: 1595826734

Joe Simon: My Life in Comics: The Illustrated Autobiography of Joe Simon
by Joe Simon

• $ 24.95
• Pub. Date: June 2011
• Publisher: Titan
• Format: Hardcover, 256pp  [Also available as an e-book]
• ISBN-13: 9781845769307
• ISBN: 1845769309

Fans of the curious antics of Michael Kupperman have been enjoying his “Mark Twain meets Einstein” adventures on his blog for a while, but it turns out that it’s turned into a book, Mark Twain’s Autobiography, 1910-2010 which will be published in August from Fantagraphics. The cover hasn’t been released yet but a few preview images have.

Speaking of Kupperman, the long out of print TALES DESIGNED TO THRIZZLE #1 is available again for a limited time. Please consult a doctor before purchasing to make sure you are healthy enough to laugh uncontrollably for a moment or so.