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	<title>Comments on: Is Wednesday going to be Tuesday soon?</title>
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		<title>By: Tim Gagne</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2010/07/17/is-wednesday-going-to-be-tuesday-soon/#comment-51535</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Gagne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jul 2010 21:07:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The reason there were two ship dates in the past is there were printers other than Ronalds (World Color in Sparta, later Sullivan down in Alabama I believe)plus the various independent books.  There were also warehouses across the country, Diamond &amp; Capital had at or above 20 + each at one time.  As the warehouses consolidated and printing shifted almost 100% to Ronalds for the big 4, a single release date was the most viable option.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The reason there were two ship dates in the past is there were printers other than Ronalds (World Color in Sparta, later Sullivan down in Alabama I believe)plus the various independent books.  There were also warehouses across the country, Diamond &amp; Capital had at or above 20 + each at one time.  As the warehouses consolidated and printing shifted almost 100% to Ronalds for the big 4, a single release date was the most viable option.</p>
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		<title>By: The Beat</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2010/07/17/is-wednesday-going-to-be-tuesday-soon/#comment-51196</link>
		<dc:creator>The Beat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jul 2010 14:39:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let&#039;s rephrase the question: is it worth $5 a week to radically imrpove your sanity and business? 

That&#039;s two (NYC) or three (everywhere else) cups of joe a week.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s rephrase the question: is it worth $5 a week to radically imrpove your sanity and business? </p>
<p>That&#8217;s two (NYC) or three (everywhere else) cups of joe a week.</p>
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		<title>By: John Benton</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2010/07/17/is-wednesday-going-to-be-tuesday-soon/#comment-51191</link>
		<dc:creator>John Benton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jul 2010 13:58:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Ben: &quot;And there sure as heck wasn’t any “policing” fee…&quot;

There was. It wasn&#039;t specifically called out as such, just like there wasn&#039;t a &quot;janitor&quot; fee. It was baked into the rest of the cost.

In Diamond&#039;s case, they&#039;re being (surprisingly) forthright about this. That five dollars was going to be necessary no matter what, so they&#039;re telling retailers from the very start that it&#039;s an element in the decision.

-J</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Ben: &#8220;And there sure as heck wasn’t any “policing” fee…&#8221;</p>
<p>There was. It wasn&#8217;t specifically called out as such, just like there wasn&#8217;t a &#8220;janitor&#8221; fee. It was baked into the rest of the cost.</p>
<p>In Diamond&#8217;s case, they&#8217;re being (surprisingly) forthright about this. That five dollars was going to be necessary no matter what, so they&#8217;re telling retailers from the very start that it&#8217;s an element in the decision.</p>
<p>-J</p>
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		<title>By: Al™</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2010/07/17/is-wednesday-going-to-be-tuesday-soon/#comment-51181</link>
		<dc:creator>Al™</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jul 2010 12:33:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unfortunately, if there was to be a $5 monitoring charge, my retailer would find a way to pass it on to pull list subscribers.
 
The stores here post the new books Wednesday night after 8pm, so new comics day for me is effectively Thursday anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unfortunately, if there was to be a $5 monitoring charge, my retailer would find a way to pass it on to pull list subscribers.</p>
<p>The stores here post the new books Wednesday night after 8pm, so new comics day for me is effectively Thursday anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: Cary Coatney</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2010/07/17/is-wednesday-going-to-be-tuesday-soon/#comment-51175</link>
		<dc:creator>Cary Coatney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jul 2010 09:02:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Torsten - it&#039;s pretty much common knowledge embeded into the public conscience these days that Tuesday is new release day. 

Especially when you&#039;re in possession of a Blockbuster rental card. Everyone flocks to grab the newest releases on Tuesday evening before they all get sold out on the following weekend.

And Sunday newspaper circulars for Target or Best Buy pretty much cements it. 

~

Coat</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Torsten &#8211; it&#8217;s pretty much common knowledge embeded into the public conscience these days that Tuesday is new release day. </p>
<p>Especially when you&#8217;re in possession of a Blockbuster rental card. Everyone flocks to grab the newest releases on Tuesday evening before they all get sold out on the following weekend.</p>
<p>And Sunday newspaper circulars for Target or Best Buy pretty much cements it. </p>
<p>~</p>
<p>Coat</p>
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		<title>By: Glenn Simpson</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2010/07/17/is-wednesday-going-to-be-tuesday-soon/#comment-51156</link>
		<dc:creator>Glenn Simpson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jul 2010 01:24:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s all too organized and civilized. I don&#039;t like it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s all too organized and civilized. I don&#8217;t like it.</p>
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		<title>By: Synsidar</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2010/07/17/is-wednesday-going-to-be-tuesday-soon/#comment-51136</link>
		<dc:creator>Synsidar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Jul 2010 21:49:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;em&gt;I don’t know if anyone was ever punished (anything in the Publisher Weekly archives?), but it was followed strictly by us.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;/em&gt;

I know from experience that retailers violating the street date on new music releases have been fined. I wasn&#039;t informed as to the dollar amount -- it would hardly be the same as a fine for a criminal offense -- but the fine would be a deterrent.

One reason for adherence to street dates: Best Buy, Target, Walmart, Kmart, and other retailers place ads in newspapers for upcoming releases, often in combination with sales. The system, with stores matching each other&#039;s advertised price, offering substitutes in case of sellouts, and having sales for specific lengths of time, only works when stores follow the rules. Adhering to street dates makes good business sense. If a comics shop relied on advertising and sales to bring in customers for specific products on specific dates, the owner would be ticked off by competition violating street dates.

SRS</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p><em>I don’t know if anyone was ever punished (anything in the Publisher Weekly archives?), but it was followed strictly by us.</em></p></blockquote>
<p>I know from experience that retailers violating the street date on new music releases have been fined. I wasn&#8217;t informed as to the dollar amount &#8212; it would hardly be the same as a fine for a criminal offense &#8212; but the fine would be a deterrent.</p>
<p>One reason for adherence to street dates: Best Buy, Target, Walmart, Kmart, and other retailers place ads in newspapers for upcoming releases, often in combination with sales. The system, with stores matching each other&#8217;s advertised price, offering substitutes in case of sellouts, and having sales for specific lengths of time, only works when stores follow the rules. Adhering to street dates makes good business sense. If a comics shop relied on advertising and sales to bring in customers for specific products on specific dates, the owner would be ticked off by competition violating street dates.</p>
<p>SRS</p>
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		<title>By: Colin McMahon</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2010/07/17/is-wednesday-going-to-be-tuesday-soon/#comment-51133</link>
		<dc:creator>Colin McMahon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Jul 2010 21:04:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Can Diamond refill orders quickly to hit the weekend? Suppose a local store sells out of a title on Wednesday. Can it get more stock in time for Friday evening or Saturday?&quot;

Not really.  I think you have to have the order in by noon Wednesday to get it for Friday.  That is tough to do on a Wednesday.  But if the new release day was Tuesday, you could come in Weds morning to see what you need for the weekend and get the order in.  But, that is assuming there are any left at Diamond, what with Marvel announcing sell-out the day before the books ship lately.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Can Diamond refill orders quickly to hit the weekend? Suppose a local store sells out of a title on Wednesday. Can it get more stock in time for Friday evening or Saturday?&#8221;</p>
<p>Not really.  I think you have to have the order in by noon Wednesday to get it for Friday.  That is tough to do on a Wednesday.  But if the new release day was Tuesday, you could come in Weds morning to see what you need for the weekend and get the order in.  But, that is assuming there are any left at Diamond, what with Marvel announcing sell-out the day before the books ship lately.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason Green</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2010/07/17/is-wednesday-going-to-be-tuesday-soon/#comment-51132</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason Green</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Jul 2010 20:26:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Torsten: &quot;I don’t think the general public knows that Tuesday is “new release day” for books, CDs, and DVDs.&quot;

I can only speak from my own experience, but I worked at a record store for 5 years, and our customers sure knew Tuesday was new release day. We would get a TON of business on Tuesdays (Tuesdays and Saturdays battled it out as our biggest day of the week) especially for new rap releases (our store&#039;s biggest sellers).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Torsten: &#8220;I don’t think the general public knows that Tuesday is “new release day” for books, CDs, and DVDs.&#8221;</p>
<p>I can only speak from my own experience, but I worked at a record store for 5 years, and our customers sure knew Tuesday was new release day. We would get a TON of business on Tuesdays (Tuesdays and Saturdays battled it out as our biggest day of the week) especially for new rap releases (our store&#8217;s biggest sellers).</p>
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		<title>By: Torsten Adair</title>
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		<dc:creator>Torsten Adair</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Jul 2010 19:36:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Street dates...  
Working at Barnes &amp; Noble, we would get weekly updates on what we call &quot;Strict On Sale&quot; titles.  Each box came stamped with the street date, and usually a toll-free number to report violations.

I don&#039;t know if anyone was ever punished (anything in the Publisher Weekly archives?), but it was followed strictly by us.

Aside from the big media titles (Harry Potter, Stephen King, Hilary Clinton), we never had customers waiting in line to buy the latest title.  We closed at Midnight every day, so if someone really wanted the book, we had them wait in line, then rang them up at 12:01 AM.

I don&#039;t think the general public knows that Tuesday is &quot;new release day&quot; for books, CDs, and DVDs.  It&#039;s not like Soylent Green, with people storming the shelves, trying to get the latest new release before it sells out.  (And let&#039;s be honest... if someone wants something before it ships, they can always download it illegally.)

Were I voting, I would opt for:
* Tuesday shipping, Wednesday sale
* Monetary fines to fund the policing, along with shipping and discount penalties.  (You get caught, you get treated like a new account, with worse discounts.)  Public notice as well.  Thursday shipping.  Make it a nuclear option, so nobody tries to break the date.

Wednesday sales have another positive aspect: various news outlets promote books on Sundays (usually 60 Minutes) and Mondays, for sale on Tuesday.  If comics ship Wednesday, media outlets will cover press releases on Tuesday and Wednesday morning.  (Remember Captain America #25?  It hit that morning via the Daily News and other sources.)

Can Diamond refill orders quickly to hit the weekend?  Suppose a local store sells out of a title on Wednesday.  Can it get more stock in time for Friday evening or Saturday?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Street dates&#8230;<br />
Working at Barnes &amp; Noble, we would get weekly updates on what we call &#8220;Strict On Sale&#8221; titles.  Each box came stamped with the street date, and usually a toll-free number to report violations.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know if anyone was ever punished (anything in the Publisher Weekly archives?), but it was followed strictly by us.</p>
<p>Aside from the big media titles (Harry Potter, Stephen King, Hilary Clinton), we never had customers waiting in line to buy the latest title.  We closed at Midnight every day, so if someone really wanted the book, we had them wait in line, then rang them up at 12:01 AM.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think the general public knows that Tuesday is &#8220;new release day&#8221; for books, CDs, and DVDs.  It&#8217;s not like Soylent Green, with people storming the shelves, trying to get the latest new release before it sells out.  (And let&#8217;s be honest&#8230; if someone wants something before it ships, they can always download it illegally.)</p>
<p>Were I voting, I would opt for:<br />
* Tuesday shipping, Wednesday sale<br />
* Monetary fines to fund the policing, along with shipping and discount penalties.  (You get caught, you get treated like a new account, with worse discounts.)  Public notice as well.  Thursday shipping.  Make it a nuclear option, so nobody tries to break the date.</p>
<p>Wednesday sales have another positive aspect: various news outlets promote books on Sundays (usually 60 Minutes) and Mondays, for sale on Tuesday.  If comics ship Wednesday, media outlets will cover press releases on Tuesday and Wednesday morning.  (Remember Captain America #25?  It hit that morning via the Daily News and other sources.)</p>
<p>Can Diamond refill orders quickly to hit the weekend?  Suppose a local store sells out of a title on Wednesday.  Can it get more stock in time for Friday evening or Saturday?</p>
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		<title>By: Brett</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Jul 2010 19:02:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Street dates are also important because the stores that put product on sale before another store gets the business first.

I know a few stores that used to put dvds on sale when they were delivered, usually a week before a street date. Those stores were the go-to-stores if someone didn&#039;t want to wait until the following week for high demand product, which means the stores which adhered to the street date lost customers to those who put them on sale at the time of delivery.

And talking about comic delivery dates, I&#039;m dating myself now when I say, I remember when new comics day was on Friday and I remember when they were delivered 2x a week, on Tuesday and Friday.

It didn&#039;t make a difference what day new comic day was back then, people adjusted their habit accordingly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Street dates are also important because the stores that put product on sale before another store gets the business first.</p>
<p>I know a few stores that used to put dvds on sale when they were delivered, usually a week before a street date. Those stores were the go-to-stores if someone didn&#8217;t want to wait until the following week for high demand product, which means the stores which adhered to the street date lost customers to those who put them on sale at the time of delivery.</p>
<p>And talking about comic delivery dates, I&#8217;m dating myself now when I say, I remember when new comics day was on Friday and I remember when they were delivered 2x a week, on Tuesday and Friday.</p>
<p>It didn&#8217;t make a difference what day new comic day was back then, people adjusted their habit accordingly.</p>
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		<title>By: Brendan T</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brendan T</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Jul 2010 16:41:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One bit of room for thought:

That $5 a week fee adds up to $20-25 a month. While that doesn&#039;t seem like much, that&#039;s about $40-60 in product. And it&#039;s $260 a year, again about $520-600 in product which can&#039;t be ordered now. 

Adding even a small fee like that can really add up to tigher orders and other problems, especially since the profit margin on many stores is barely enough to skate by (and the markups aren&#039;t really large enough to allow stellar money to be made). It&#039;s the stupid little straw that could potentially break a lot of smaller stores in the long run.

And I just love how they refer to it as a weekly rate to make it seem like a small fee.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One bit of room for thought:</p>
<p>That $5 a week fee adds up to $20-25 a month. While that doesn&#8217;t seem like much, that&#8217;s about $40-60 in product. And it&#8217;s $260 a year, again about $520-600 in product which can&#8217;t be ordered now. </p>
<p>Adding even a small fee like that can really add up to tigher orders and other problems, especially since the profit margin on many stores is barely enough to skate by (and the markups aren&#8217;t really large enough to allow stellar money to be made). It&#8217;s the stupid little straw that could potentially break a lot of smaller stores in the long run.</p>
<p>And I just love how they refer to it as a weekly rate to make it seem like a small fee.</p>
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		<title>By: The Beat</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Beat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Jul 2010 16:17:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nate Horn -- I think you need a time out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nate Horn &#8212; I think you need a time out.</p>
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		<title>By: Nate Horn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nate Horn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Jul 2010 14:09:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the $5/week police team is beyond stupid. Someone else said it right when they said it&#039;s going to be some minimum wage guy at a desk fielding calls from a bunch of people going store to store paid in comics. It&#039;s just a scam by Geppi. 

Entertainment street dates are a dumb idea and always have been, but it&#039;s the convention, so whatever. I think comics would benefit a lot from being sold like cars - the dealers and publishers would market the Hell out of this week&#039;s books and discount the Hell out of last week&#039;s books. Of course, that would require the publishers actually treating retailers like adults, which isn&#039;t going to happen, because the publishers are selling to Diamond. Diamond sells to the retailers, and since the retailers own the books they buy from Diamond, they should be able to do whatever they want with them. 

But whatever, comics are quickly running down the road to obscurity anyway.... Selling them on Tuesday won&#039;t make a difference in how fast they can get down that road. In the meantime, Diamond should treat the retailers like the adults in the room they are and just give them the books a day early so those poor guys can actually run a business instead of jumping through hoops all day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the $5/week police team is beyond stupid. Someone else said it right when they said it&#8217;s going to be some minimum wage guy at a desk fielding calls from a bunch of people going store to store paid in comics. It&#8217;s just a scam by Geppi. </p>
<p>Entertainment street dates are a dumb idea and always have been, but it&#8217;s the convention, so whatever. I think comics would benefit a lot from being sold like cars &#8211; the dealers and publishers would market the Hell out of this week&#8217;s books and discount the Hell out of last week&#8217;s books. Of course, that would require the publishers actually treating retailers like adults, which isn&#8217;t going to happen, because the publishers are selling to Diamond. Diamond sells to the retailers, and since the retailers own the books they buy from Diamond, they should be able to do whatever they want with them. </p>
<p>But whatever, comics are quickly running down the road to obscurity anyway&#8230;. Selling them on Tuesday won&#8217;t make a difference in how fast they can get down that road. In the meantime, Diamond should treat the retailers like the adults in the room they are and just give them the books a day early so those poor guys can actually run a business instead of jumping through hoops all day.</p>
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		<title>By: scottscomics</title>
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		<dc:creator>scottscomics</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Jul 2010 12:33:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m an internet only account.  To get my shipment a day early, I&#039;d have to pay $5 a week.  How will somebody police my non-store (internet site)??

I could get them a day later to avoid the $5 fee, but with the high amount of damages and shortages I have, some of my damaged items may be out of stock by the time I get the shipment (a day after most other retailers).  Just this past week, 75% of my shipment of X-Men Second Coming #2 was damaged, with no replacements!!

I&#039;m am in favor of the Tuesday release though - I think it would be better for the industry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m an internet only account.  To get my shipment a day early, I&#8217;d have to pay $5 a week.  How will somebody police my non-store (internet site)??</p>
<p>I could get them a day later to avoid the $5 fee, but with the high amount of damages and shortages I have, some of my damaged items may be out of stock by the time I get the shipment (a day after most other retailers).  Just this past week, 75% of my shipment of X-Men Second Coming #2 was damaged, with no replacements!!</p>
<p>I&#8217;m am in favor of the Tuesday release though &#8211; I think it would be better for the industry.</p>
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