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	<title>Comments on: EMPIRE STRIKES BACK: The movie that made being a nerd cool</title>
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		<title>By: Lukism</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lukism</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jul 2010 13:24:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No argument, Peter Mayhew is fu(king tall! Look at that picture! 


He seems a really good guy too. Aparently no one else coudl play Chewie. They had someone else in the costume once, and everyone saw it was nothing like it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No argument, Peter Mayhew is fu(king tall! Look at that picture! </p>
<p>He seems a really good guy too. Aparently no one else coudl play Chewie. They had someone else in the costume once, and everyone saw it was nothing like it.</p>
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		<title>By: Torsten Adair</title>
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		<dc:creator>Torsten Adair</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 May 2010 23:35:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I managed, by sheer luck, to see the midnight screening of Phantom Menace.

As I exited the theater, walking by the crowd waiting for the 3AM crowd, I got an evil idea...
Channeling Homer Simpson, I blurted out, &quot;I can&#039;t believe Obi Wan and Qui Jon are gay!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I managed, by sheer luck, to see the midnight screening of Phantom Menace.</p>
<p>As I exited the theater, walking by the crowd waiting for the 3AM crowd, I got an evil idea&#8230;<br />
Channeling Homer Simpson, I blurted out, &#8220;I can&#8217;t believe Obi Wan and Qui Jon are gay!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: ed</title>
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		<dc:creator>ed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 May 2010 23:41:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ESB was the movie that brought home the concept of &quot;delayed gratification&quot; to me: &lt;i&gt;
what, we gotta wait THREE fudgin&#039; years before we found out what happened to Han, and whether or not Vader WAS Luke&#039;s father??&lt;/i&gt;

Stepping out of the theater to the symphonic strains of the End Titles, three years seemed like an eternity... and little did we know that that future was to bring a giant slug and metal-bikini&#039;d Princess, feral teddy bears defeating a legion of &#039;the Emperor&#039;s BEST troops&#039;(!) and Vader absolved of his sins in the bluey-glow of the Jedi afterlife. (Am glad at least that that little orphan Ani, an orange frog Stephen Fetchit, and Jedis too DENSE to sense the Dark Side right NEXT TO THEM was in the distant cinematic future far, far, away...)


Thank the Force that ESB was made in &lt;b&gt;collaboration&lt;/b&gt; with others, and not fully subject to its own Maker&#039;s whims: that Lucas had Kurtz to reign him in instead of McCallum&#039;s enabling--- that he had Kasdan and Brackett to hone and edit the story ideas of the burgeoning SW &quot;mythology&quot; in a tight script---and that he handed the reigns to Irvin Kershner instead of directing it HIMSELF.



Thanks, ESB for broadening my conception of what was &quot;Science Fiction&quot;: robots, Martian colonists and demon-saviors of Earth were fine, but I guess what I really needed was some Space Opera in my SF diet! And great thanks to John Williams&#039; score for the film: buying the soundtrack for my SW Collection opened my ears to Orchestral Music--- &quot;Vader&#039;s March&quot;, &quot;Yoda&#039;s Theme&quot;, &quot;Han and Leia&#039;s Love Theme&quot; introduced me to musical &lt;i&gt;motifs&lt;/i&gt;, leading to Beethoven, Wagner and beyond...


Guess I better rewatch it again now. :) 



&lt;i&gt; A Jedi uses the Force for knowledge and defense, NEVER for attack.&lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ESB was the movie that brought home the concept of &#8220;delayed gratification&#8221; to me: <i><br />
what, we gotta wait THREE fudgin&#8217; years before we found out what happened to Han, and whether or not Vader WAS Luke&#8217;s father??</i></p>
<p>Stepping out of the theater to the symphonic strains of the End Titles, three years seemed like an eternity&#8230; and little did we know that that future was to bring a giant slug and metal-bikini&#8217;d Princess, feral teddy bears defeating a legion of &#8216;the Emperor&#8217;s BEST troops&#8217;(!) and Vader absolved of his sins in the bluey-glow of the Jedi afterlife. (Am glad at least that that little orphan Ani, an orange frog Stephen Fetchit, and Jedis too DENSE to sense the Dark Side right NEXT TO THEM was in the distant cinematic future far, far, away&#8230;)</p>
<p>Thank the Force that ESB was made in <b>collaboration</b> with others, and not fully subject to its own Maker&#8217;s whims: that Lucas had Kurtz to reign him in instead of McCallum&#8217;s enabling&#8212; that he had Kasdan and Brackett to hone and edit the story ideas of the burgeoning SW &#8220;mythology&#8221; in a tight script&#8212;and that he handed the reigns to Irvin Kershner instead of directing it HIMSELF.</p>
<p>Thanks, ESB for broadening my conception of what was &#8220;Science Fiction&#8221;: robots, Martian colonists and demon-saviors of Earth were fine, but I guess what I really needed was some Space Opera in my SF diet! And great thanks to John Williams&#8217; score for the film: buying the soundtrack for my SW Collection opened my ears to Orchestral Music&#8212; &#8220;Vader&#8217;s March&#8221;, &#8220;Yoda&#8217;s Theme&#8221;, &#8220;Han and Leia&#8217;s Love Theme&#8221; introduced me to musical <i>motifs</i>, leading to Beethoven, Wagner and beyond&#8230;</p>
<p>Guess I better rewatch it again now. :) </p>
<p><i> A Jedi uses the Force for knowledge and defense, NEVER for attack.</i></p>
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		<title>By: __________</title>
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		<dc:creator>__________</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 May 2010 23:27:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And they certainly didn&#039;t rip off no French comics, no sir.

http://www.noosfere.org/mezieres/pages/cinema/rencontres.htm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And they certainly didn&#8217;t rip off no French comics, no sir.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.noosfere.org/mezieres/pages/cinema/rencontres.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.noosfere.org/mezieres/pages/cinema/rencontres.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: ShutUpRob</title>
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		<dc:creator>ShutUpRob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 May 2010 00:57:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And according to the home page of Google, it&#039;s apparently-ish the 30th birthday of Pac-Man, too.  Double the geektastic fun!

Also, for me, it&#039;s a geek trifecta because I turned thirtyten today.  Other notable geek birthdays today:  Al Franken, Fairuza Balk and Mr. T!

Slight demerit:  it&#039;s also Jeffrey Dahmer&#039;s birthday.  No day is perfect.  Awesome, yes, perfect, no.

  -- Rob</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And according to the home page of Google, it&#8217;s apparently-ish the 30th birthday of Pac-Man, too.  Double the geektastic fun!</p>
<p>Also, for me, it&#8217;s a geek trifecta because I turned thirtyten today.  Other notable geek birthdays today:  Al Franken, Fairuza Balk and Mr. T!</p>
<p>Slight demerit:  it&#8217;s also Jeffrey Dahmer&#8217;s birthday.  No day is perfect.  Awesome, yes, perfect, no.</p>
<p>  &#8212; Rob</p>
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		<title>By: Rafael K</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rafael K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 May 2010 23:52:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Saw it. Didn&#039;t care for the muppet - it signaled the end of the awesomeness for me. It was too clean. Never even noticed Boba Fett, but now I like the design and promise. I also liked the walkers, but the whole time I was wondering what happened to Luke&#039;s face. I don&#039;t have as much fondness for this as A New Hope, that was Flash Gordon, Lone Wolf and Cub and Magnificent Seven all rolled into one and I had just discovered Frazetta and Neal Adam&#039;s work that same summer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Saw it. Didn&#8217;t care for the muppet &#8211; it signaled the end of the awesomeness for me. It was too clean. Never even noticed Boba Fett, but now I like the design and promise. I also liked the walkers, but the whole time I was wondering what happened to Luke&#8217;s face. I don&#8217;t have as much fondness for this as A New Hope, that was Flash Gordon, Lone Wolf and Cub and Magnificent Seven all rolled into one and I had just discovered Frazetta and Neal Adam&#8217;s work that same summer.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Thompson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Thompson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 May 2010 22:12:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was there when it opened in DC on May 21st at the late, lamented MacArthur Theater (the other two original SWs opened at the Uptown, still the best theater in DC, and i was there for those openings too). Leigh Brackett had a brief interview in Starlog magazine in probably 1979 where she mentioned something about making Darth Vader Luke&#039;s dad, and I thought, No Way!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was there when it opened in DC on May 21st at the late, lamented MacArthur Theater (the other two original SWs opened at the Uptown, still the best theater in DC, and i was there for those openings too). Leigh Brackett had a brief interview in Starlog magazine in probably 1979 where she mentioned something about making Darth Vader Luke&#8217;s dad, and I thought, No Way!</p>
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		<title>By: Eric H.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric H.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 May 2010 22:11:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I met Peter Mayhew (I&#039;m sure dozens if not hundreds of people who read this site, have!) at Planet Comicon in KC a few years back and what a cool, classy guy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I met Peter Mayhew (I&#8217;m sure dozens if not hundreds of people who read this site, have!) at Planet Comicon in KC a few years back and what a cool, classy guy.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 May 2010 21:09:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There was talk in the early days that the first movie was the middle one of NINE, should they ever get that far.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There was talk in the early days that the first movie was the middle one of NINE, should they ever get that far.</p>
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		<title>By: Elayne Riggs</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elayne Riggs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 May 2010 20:57:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve always maintained that The Empire Strikes Back isn&#039;t a movie, it&#039;s a chapter.  A long chapter, but a chapter nonetheless.  It cannot stand alone without A New Hope and Return of the Jedi.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve always maintained that The Empire Strikes Back isn&#8217;t a movie, it&#8217;s a chapter.  A long chapter, but a chapter nonetheless.  It cannot stand alone without A New Hope and Return of the Jedi.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Towle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben Towle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 May 2010 19:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@John - As you mention with the Brackett script, if you really look at the things GL has said over the years, you&#039;ll see that this whole &quot;grand plan&quot; that he now claims to have had all along is a fairly recent invention.

There&#039;s a ton of information about this ever-evolving claim in the book THE SECRET HISTORY OF STAR WARS:

http://secrethistoryofstarwars.com/book.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@John &#8211; As you mention with the Brackett script, if you really look at the things GL has said over the years, you&#8217;ll see that this whole &#8220;grand plan&#8221; that he now claims to have had all along is a fairly recent invention.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s a ton of information about this ever-evolving claim in the book THE SECRET HISTORY OF STAR WARS:</p>
<p><a href="http://secrethistoryofstarwars.com/book.html" rel="nofollow">http://secrethistoryofstarwars.com/book.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 May 2010 18:39:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not much of Leigh Brackett&#039;s first and only draft (which was only just leaked this past month after 32 years) survived into following drafts, but there did seem to be a certain tone she established that Lawrence Kasdan tapped into.

Most interesting revelation from the Brackett draft, which was written from Lucas&#039; outline: Darth Vader was not Luke&#039;s father, proving GL really didn&#039;t have as much planned out ahead of time as people would be lead to believe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not much of Leigh Brackett&#8217;s first and only draft (which was only just leaked this past month after 32 years) survived into following drafts, but there did seem to be a certain tone she established that Lawrence Kasdan tapped into.</p>
<p>Most interesting revelation from the Brackett draft, which was written from Lucas&#8217; outline: Darth Vader was not Luke&#8217;s father, proving GL really didn&#8217;t have as much planned out ahead of time as people would be lead to believe.</p>
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		<title>By: pulphope</title>
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		<dc:creator>pulphope</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 May 2010 17:35:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kershner deserves much credit for the tone of the film...also special mentions of screenwriters Lawrence Kasdan and Leigh Brackett. In the &#039;50s and &#039;60s, Leigh was a (female) science fiction pulp writer. Her other sci-fi stories have some really good elements--think I&#039;ve read 3 books by her, published in the old Ace sci-fi editions.

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0102824/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kershner deserves much credit for the tone of the film&#8230;also special mentions of screenwriters Lawrence Kasdan and Leigh Brackett. In the &#8217;50s and &#8217;60s, Leigh was a (female) science fiction pulp writer. Her other sci-fi stories have some really good elements&#8211;think I&#8217;ve read 3 books by her, published in the old Ace sci-fi editions.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0102824/" rel="nofollow">http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0102824/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Hynes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin Hynes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 May 2010 17:11:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>don&#039;t you say an unkind word about billy dee!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>don&#8217;t you say an unkind word about billy dee!</p>
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		<title>By: Blackeye</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blackeye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 May 2010 16:39:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I remember when Billy Dee Williams used to be cool, that ended, I think, in the early 80s. Now apparently he is trying to channel Liza Minnelli. Wow, this is really sad...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I remember when Billy Dee Williams used to be cool, that ended, I think, in the early 80s. Now apparently he is trying to channel Liza Minnelli. Wow, this is really sad&#8230;</p>
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