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	<title>Comments on: NY Times link #1: Frank Miller&#039;s SPIRIT</title>
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		<title>By: STWALLSKULL &#187; Interesting Links: August 6th, 2008</title>
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		<dc:creator>STWALLSKULL &#187; Interesting Links: August 6th, 2008</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 21:06:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] NY Times link #1: Frank Miller’s SPIRIT from THE BEAT [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Xenos</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2008/07/21/ny-times-link-1-frank-millers-spirit/#comment-43784</link>
		<dc:creator>Xenos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 07:29:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve seen posters on bus stops here in the Boston area too.  I don&#039;t get it. Maybe to cash in on the summer movie season?

As for Frank Miller&#039;s The Goddamn Spirit film, I&#039;m.. yeah.. cynical might be a good word.

Meanwhile, I can&#039;t wait to see Miller&#039;s war on terror comic, even if Batman isn&#039;t in it. Hell, even if I totally disagree with it, it still will be interesting.  Actually, from what I&#039;ve heard, most libertarians seem to be against it. I know self proclaimed Libertarian, and Miller fan himself, Paul Pope seemed against it in an interview I read. Though I could be simplifying things. (I should be careful what I say, especially because I&#039;ve seen him post here. Heh.) Heck, if anything politically, I think I&#039;d call myself libertarian. Though I really don&#039;t have a black and white answer to the war. Hurm.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve seen posters on bus stops here in the Boston area too.  I don&#8217;t get it. Maybe to cash in on the summer movie season?</p>
<p>As for Frank Miller&#8217;s The Goddamn Spirit film, I&#8217;m.. yeah.. cynical might be a good word.</p>
<p>Meanwhile, I can&#8217;t wait to see Miller&#8217;s war on terror comic, even if Batman isn&#8217;t in it. Hell, even if I totally disagree with it, it still will be interesting.  Actually, from what I&#8217;ve heard, most libertarians seem to be against it. I know self proclaimed Libertarian, and Miller fan himself, Paul Pope seemed against it in an interview I read. Though I could be simplifying things. (I should be careful what I say, especially because I&#8217;ve seen him post here. Heh.) Heck, if anything politically, I think I&#8217;d call myself libertarian. Though I really don&#8217;t have a black and white answer to the war. Hurm.</p>
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		<title>By: cbrown</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2008/07/21/ny-times-link-1-frank-millers-spirit/#comment-43783</link>
		<dc:creator>cbrown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 02:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not Heidi, but I do live in New York!

I haven&#039;t seen a huge amount of publicity, but I did see those posters go up several months ago. Non-comics fan friends of mine see them and say, &quot;huh?&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not Heidi, but I do live in New York!</p>
<p>I haven&#8217;t seen a huge amount of publicity, but I did see those posters go up several months ago. Non-comics fan friends of mine see them and say, &#8220;huh?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Cary Coatney</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2008/07/21/ny-times-link-1-frank-millers-spirit/#comment-43782</link>
		<dc:creator>Cary Coatney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 00:13:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t understand why there are a gazillion bus, bench, and poster kiosks going up all over Los Angeles NOW for a movie that doesn&#039;t open up until Christmas.

Heidi, is like this in New York too?

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Coat</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t understand why there are a gazillion bus, bench, and poster kiosks going up all over Los Angeles NOW for a movie that doesn&#8217;t open up until Christmas.</p>
<p>Heidi, is like this in New York too?</p>
<p>~</p>
<p>Coat</p>
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		<title>By: Richard J. Marcej</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2008/07/21/ny-times-link-1-frank-millers-spirit/#comment-43781</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard J. Marcej</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 21:08:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;And what’s with the hats?&quot;

Maybe Miller could bring back the old TV series, &quot;The Hat Squad&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;And what’s with the hats?&#8221;</p>
<p>Maybe Miller could bring back the old TV series, &#8220;The Hat Squad&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: slumber</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2008/07/21/ny-times-link-1-frank-millers-spirit/#comment-43780</link>
		<dc:creator>slumber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 20:04:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Miller&#039;s politics haven&#039;t really changed much in the past 20 yrs.  He&#039;s always been more of a libertarian than anything else (by my reading).  It&#039;s the quality of his writing that&#039;s gone steadily downhill, starting after Sin City and continuing down until now with The Spirit.  His plotting is sloppy, his &quot;characters&quot; are now caricatures, and the dialogue reads like a parody of his style.

Maybe we hold him to a higher standard because he used to be so good.  I still think his stuff from the 90&#039;s is brilliant.  But his track record since then seems to indicate he&#039;s well past his creative prime.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Miller&#8217;s politics haven&#8217;t really changed much in the past 20 yrs.  He&#8217;s always been more of a libertarian than anything else (by my reading).  It&#8217;s the quality of his writing that&#8217;s gone steadily downhill, starting after Sin City and continuing down until now with The Spirit.  His plotting is sloppy, his &#8220;characters&#8221; are now caricatures, and the dialogue reads like a parody of his style.</p>
<p>Maybe we hold him to a higher standard because he used to be so good.  I still think his stuff from the 90&#8217;s is brilliant.  But his track record since then seems to indicate he&#8217;s well past his creative prime.</p>
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		<title>By: Herr Mike</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2008/07/21/ny-times-link-1-frank-millers-spirit/#comment-43779</link>
		<dc:creator>Herr Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 19:41:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What happened? He&#039;s not liberal enough, apparently!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What happened? He&#8217;s not liberal enough, apparently!</p>
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		<title>By: Richard J. Marcej</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2008/07/21/ny-times-link-1-frank-millers-spirit/#comment-43778</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard J. Marcej</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 19:34:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dark Knight 2 = The Happening / Lady in the Water

Yeah, I can see that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dark Knight 2 = The Happening / Lady in the Water</p>
<p>Yeah, I can see that.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Pachter</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2008/07/21/ny-times-link-1-frank-millers-spirit/#comment-43777</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Pachter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 19:02:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To say that buzz for The Spirit is &quot;muted&quot; is pretty, well, muted.

&quot;Hostile or &quot;trepidiatious&quot; is more like it.

And what&#039;s with the hats?

More like Spillane than Chandler, Frank.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To say that buzz for The Spirit is &#8220;muted&#8221; is pretty, well, muted.</p>
<p>&#8220;Hostile or &#8220;trepidiatious&#8221; is more like it.</p>
<p>And what&#8217;s with the hats?</p>
<p>More like Spillane than Chandler, Frank.</p>
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		<title>By: rich</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2008/07/21/ny-times-link-1-frank-millers-spirit/#comment-43776</link>
		<dc:creator>rich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 18:43:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I still remember the days when nothing but hyperbolic praise would flow at the mention of Miller.&quot;

Those were the days when his comics, on average, were very good.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I still remember the days when nothing but hyperbolic praise would flow at the mention of Miller.&#8221;</p>
<p>Those were the days when his comics, on average, were very good.</p>
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		<title>By: Oscar T.</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2008/07/21/ny-times-link-1-frank-millers-spirit/#comment-43775</link>
		<dc:creator>Oscar T.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 17:13:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While the &quot;This I Believe&quot; segment was confirmation of the man he is today and eliminated any hope of redemption, I think the actual turning point was the release of the first issue of DK2.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While the &#8220;This I Believe&#8221; segment was confirmation of the man he is today and eliminated any hope of redemption, I think the actual turning point was the release of the first issue of DK2.</p>
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		<title>By: toby</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2008/07/21/ny-times-link-1-frank-millers-spirit/#comment-43774</link>
		<dc:creator>toby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 16:54:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s official. Frank Miller has become the M. Night Shyamalan of comics.

Just the mention of his name incites nothing but vitriol from fans these days. Not that I&#039;m any kind of Miller fan, but I can&#039;t help feeling bad for him (and M. Night.)

When/How did this happen? What was the turning point? I still remember the days when nothing but hyperbolic praise would flow at the mention of Miller. It was that interview he did for NPR when he rambled incoherently about 9/11, wasn&#039;t it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s official. Frank Miller has become the M. Night Shyamalan of comics.</p>
<p>Just the mention of his name incites nothing but vitriol from fans these days. Not that I&#8217;m any kind of Miller fan, but I can&#8217;t help feeling bad for him (and M. Night.)</p>
<p>When/How did this happen? What was the turning point? I still remember the days when nothing but hyperbolic praise would flow at the mention of Miller. It was that interview he did for NPR when he rambled incoherently about 9/11, wasn&#8217;t it?</p>
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		<title>By: Neo</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2008/07/21/ny-times-link-1-frank-millers-spirit/#comment-43773</link>
		<dc:creator>Neo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 16:22:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Looks like Miller is giving up on Batman Versus al-Qaeda and rehashing it into something else:

“I have a bunch of drawing I want to do,” he said. One project, which began as “Holy War, Batman!,” a series with a post-9/11 context, has shifted. “As I worked on it, it became something that was no longer Batman. It’s somewhere past that, and I decided it’s going to be part of a new series that I’m starting.”

Given his incoherent thoughts on 9/11 (particularly on the pathetically weak &quot;Martha Washington Dies&quot;), this isn&#039;t even worth considering.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looks like Miller is giving up on Batman Versus al-Qaeda and rehashing it into something else:</p>
<p>“I have a bunch of drawing I want to do,” he said. One project, which began as “Holy War, Batman!,” a series with a post-9/11 context, has shifted. “As I worked on it, it became something that was no longer Batman. It’s somewhere past that, and I decided it’s going to be part of a new series that I’m starting.”</p>
<p>Given his incoherent thoughts on 9/11 (particularly on the pathetically weak &#8220;Martha Washington Dies&#8221;), this isn&#8217;t even worth considering.</p>
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		<title>By: Kelson @ Speed Force</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2008/07/21/ny-times-link-1-frank-millers-spirit/#comment-43772</link>
		<dc:creator>Kelson @ Speed Force</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 15:53:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I went out to see &lt;i&gt;The Dark Knight&lt;/i&gt; with friends yesterday, and we saw one of the &lt;i&gt;Spirit&lt;/i&gt; posters afterward.   One of my friends asked me what differentated &lt;i&gt;The Spirit&lt;/i&gt; from &lt;i&gt;Sin City&lt;/i&gt;.  As far as he could tell from anything he&#039;d seen, they might as well have been the same film.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I went out to see <i>The Dark Knight</i> with friends yesterday, and we saw one of the <i>Spirit</i> posters afterward.   One of my friends asked me what differentated <i>The Spirit</i> from <i>Sin City</i>.  As far as he could tell from anything he&#8217;d seen, they might as well have been the same film.</p>
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