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	<title>Comments on: San Diego&#039;s economy&#8230;again</title>
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		<title>By: Mister Fanboy</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2008/07/17/san-diegos-economyagain/#comment-43404</link>
		<dc:creator>Mister Fanboy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 03:28:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I attended this year&#039;s con.  We stayed at the Sofia Hotel, about 8 blocks or so from the Convention Center.  We paid $928 for 5 nights.  The rooms were super tiny, but nice and the staff was great.  I loved staying there, but if I wasn&#039;t splitting the cost it would have been out of the question.  I got the tickets through the Con and 20 some minutes after the lines had opened, this was the cheapest I found.  All things considered, I got a good deal ... for San Diego.  I love visiting but am considering an international trip instead since I&#039;m reaching that price point anyway.  LA would be a nightmare.  The idea of Vegas is great ... but we live there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I attended this year&#8217;s con.  We stayed at the Sofia Hotel, about 8 blocks or so from the Convention Center.  We paid $928 for 5 nights.  The rooms were super tiny, but nice and the staff was great.  I loved staying there, but if I wasn&#8217;t splitting the cost it would have been out of the question.  I got the tickets through the Con and 20 some minutes after the lines had opened, this was the cheapest I found.  All things considered, I got a good deal &#8230; for San Diego.  I love visiting but am considering an international trip instead since I&#8217;m reaching that price point anyway.  LA would be a nightmare.  The idea of Vegas is great &#8230; but we live there.</p>
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		<title>By: Stacey</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2008/07/17/san-diegos-economyagain/#comment-43403</link>
		<dc:creator>Stacey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 20:04:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lorena,

Not all of the vendors are out-of-town vendors.  Off the top of my head, I know of three - an art supply store in Little Italy, &lt;a href=&quot;http://mysteriousgalaxy.booksense.com/NASApp/store/IndexJsp&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Mysterious Galaxy&lt;/a&gt;, and &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.bloodfire.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Bloodfire Studios&lt;/a&gt;.  And I&#039;m sure there are more.

And while there are a lot of locals who don&#039;t get a hotel room (I&#039;m one of them) or go out to restaurants, there are a lot who do get hotel rooms for the convience or go out to restaurants with friends they don&#039;t get to see very often.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lorena,</p>
<p>Not all of the vendors are out-of-town vendors.  Off the top of my head, I know of three &#8211; an art supply store in Little Italy, <a href="http://mysteriousgalaxy.booksense.com/NASApp/store/IndexJsp" rel="nofollow">Mysterious Galaxy</a>, and <a href="http://www.bloodfire.com/" rel="nofollow">Bloodfire Studios</a>.  And I&#8217;m sure there are more.</p>
<p>And while there are a lot of locals who don&#8217;t get a hotel room (I&#8217;m one of them) or go out to restaurants, there are a lot who do get hotel rooms for the convience or go out to restaurants with friends they don&#8217;t get to see very often.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Spurgeon</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2008/07/17/san-diegos-economyagain/#comment-43402</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Spurgeon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jul 2008 18:35:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find myself agreeing with many of the things this Zeitgeist fellow writes...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find myself agreeing with many of the things this Zeitgeist fellow writes&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: JWH</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2008/07/17/san-diegos-economyagain/#comment-43401</link>
		<dc:creator>JWH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 21:04:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cary,

I understand that. But I&#039;d hazard a guess that a vast majority of attendees don&#039;t Amtrak to the convention. And, it would seem, that there&#039;d be less price-gouging in Vegas since there are more available rooms and, possibly, lower airfares (based on what other posters are saying).

As far as local mass transit, there&#039;s always the possibility of shuttles to the convention arranged for the convention. It wouldn&#039;t be the first convention that had shuttle routes from several locations. NYC has plentiful mass transit, but the NYCC still has shuttles from various locations directly to the convention.

But I didn&#039;t mean to be harsh or shoot down any reasons for not moving it to Vegas. I just think judging its potential for success in Vegas by several also-rans and their previous attempt isn&#039;t a valid criticism. If this long established convention moved there, I&#039;m pretty sure an overwhelming majority of the exhibitors would move with it. But any other reasons to suggest it isn&#039;t a fine alternative are a completely different matter. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cary,</p>
<p>I understand that. But I&#8217;d hazard a guess that a vast majority of attendees don&#8217;t Amtrak to the convention. And, it would seem, that there&#8217;d be less price-gouging in Vegas since there are more available rooms and, possibly, lower airfares (based on what other posters are saying).</p>
<p>As far as local mass transit, there&#8217;s always the possibility of shuttles to the convention arranged for the convention. It wouldn&#8217;t be the first convention that had shuttle routes from several locations. NYC has plentiful mass transit, but the NYCC still has shuttles from various locations directly to the convention.</p>
<p>But I didn&#8217;t mean to be harsh or shoot down any reasons for not moving it to Vegas. I just think judging its potential for success in Vegas by several also-rans and their previous attempt isn&#8217;t a valid criticism. If this long established convention moved there, I&#8217;m pretty sure an overwhelming majority of the exhibitors would move with it. But any other reasons to suggest it isn&#8217;t a fine alternative are a completely different matter. :)</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Spurgeon</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2008/07/17/san-diegos-economyagain/#comment-43400</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Spurgeon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 20:15:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I met two people at the grocery store today who said they were from San Diego and I said I was going to Comic-Con and they beat me within an inch of my life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I met two people at the grocery store today who said they were from San Diego and I said I was going to Comic-Con and they beat me within an inch of my life.</p>
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		<title>By: Cary Coatney</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2008/07/17/san-diegos-economyagain/#comment-43399</link>
		<dc:creator>Cary Coatney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 19:50:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JWH -

Another point I would like to make is that some of us people who commute to San Diego via LA like to use the Amtrak or Metrolink.

There is no amtrak to Las Vegas - nor any other train service to Las Vegas for that matter. IF AMTRAK were to get off it&#039;s ass and not rely on government funding AND get that proposed BULLET TRAIN up and running then I&#039;d almost be up for it..

But as it is - with the cost of airfare becoming increasingly high and riding greyhound buses with smelly bums and derelicts being the most suck ass way to travel ( I use a alternative busline called Megabus to go into town in order to have meetings with my printer - it is absolutely the champagne of buslines only because most derelicts and winos don&#039;t know jack about making reservations on the internet) there is really not much hope for convention attendees who don&#039;t own a automobile to attend a convention out in the middle of a desert.

And Las Vegas doesn&#039;t really have that much going in as far as metro transportation goes - other than those double decker deuce bus that go up and down the strip.

~

Coat</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JWH -</p>
<p>Another point I would like to make is that some of us people who commute to San Diego via LA like to use the Amtrak or Metrolink.</p>
<p>There is no amtrak to Las Vegas &#8211; nor any other train service to Las Vegas for that matter. IF AMTRAK were to get off it&#8217;s ass and not rely on government funding AND get that proposed BULLET TRAIN up and running then I&#8217;d almost be up for it..</p>
<p>But as it is &#8211; with the cost of airfare becoming increasingly high and riding greyhound buses with smelly bums and derelicts being the most suck ass way to travel ( I use a alternative busline called Megabus to go into town in order to have meetings with my printer &#8211; it is absolutely the champagne of buslines only because most derelicts and winos don&#8217;t know jack about making reservations on the internet) there is really not much hope for convention attendees who don&#8217;t own a automobile to attend a convention out in the middle of a desert.</p>
<p>And Las Vegas doesn&#8217;t really have that much going in as far as metro transportation goes &#8211; other than those double decker deuce bus that go up and down the strip.</p>
<p>~</p>
<p>Coat</p>
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		<title>By: agro23</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2008/07/17/san-diegos-economyagain/#comment-43398</link>
		<dc:creator>agro23</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 19:38:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One other thing to consider: As far as I know, everyone on the Con committee lives in San Diego. Why would they want to move THEIR show? They&#039;d be relocating their jobs too. Sure they&#039;re a multi-million dollar non-profit juggernaut but right now they can drive to work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One other thing to consider: As far as I know, everyone on the Con committee lives in San Diego. Why would they want to move THEIR show? They&#8217;d be relocating their jobs too. Sure they&#8217;re a multi-million dollar non-profit juggernaut but right now they can drive to work.</p>
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		<title>By: The Beat</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2008/07/17/san-diegos-economyagain/#comment-43397</link>
		<dc:creator>The Beat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 17:58:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Vegas always throws CES, an even BIGGER show than San Diego...the great maw of dreamland absorbs it like a tiny minnow in its chaotic fluxus.

I am NOT in favor of moving the Comic-Con to Vegas. IT IS TOO F***NG HOT THERE!

But I begin to despair over the city&#039;s obvious hostility to the show,.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Vegas always throws CES, an even BIGGER show than San Diego&#8230;the great maw of dreamland absorbs it like a tiny minnow in its chaotic fluxus.</p>
<p>I am NOT in favor of moving the Comic-Con to Vegas. IT IS TOO F***NG HOT THERE!</p>
<p>But I begin to despair over the city&#8217;s obvious hostility to the show,.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Spurgeon</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2008/07/17/san-diegos-economyagain/#comment-43396</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Spurgeon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 17:45:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And can I marry that man&#039;s daughter?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And can I marry that man&#8217;s daughter?</p>
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		<title>By: gene phillips</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2008/07/17/san-diegos-economyagain/#comment-43395</link>
		<dc:creator>gene phillips</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 16:49:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Has anybody in Vegas every said anything to the effect that they&#039;d enjoy our business?

And if so, is it anyone with enough pull to guarantee that the cheap hotels in Vegas remain cheap the week of the Comicon?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Has anybody in Vegas every said anything to the effect that they&#8217;d enjoy our business?</p>
<p>And if so, is it anyone with enough pull to guarantee that the cheap hotels in Vegas remain cheap the week of the Comicon?</p>
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		<title>By: Susie</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2008/07/17/san-diegos-economyagain/#comment-43394</link>
		<dc:creator>Susie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 16:40:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think people are renting rooms in Capistrano this year. (~_^)

My husband is an escapee of San Diego and he says it&#039;s always struggled with little-town-looking-sophisticated issues. They want to bring in more ESRIs and downplay the gobs of money SDCC brings. Add to that the extra resources the city has to expend that weekend (extra cops, etc) and they start to look rather fondly at smaller groups of people with bigger expense accounts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think people are renting rooms in Capistrano this year. (~_^)</p>
<p>My husband is an escapee of San Diego and he says it&#8217;s always struggled with little-town-looking-sophisticated issues. They want to bring in more ESRIs and downplay the gobs of money SDCC brings. Add to that the extra resources the city has to expend that weekend (extra cops, etc) and they start to look rather fondly at smaller groups of people with bigger expense accounts.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Spurgeon</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2008/07/17/san-diegos-economyagain/#comment-43393</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Spurgeon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 15:23:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They should totally move the show to Capistrano.</description>
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		<title>By: Lea Hernandez</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2008/07/17/san-diegos-economyagain/#comment-43392</link>
		<dc:creator>Lea Hernandez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 14:50:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>*happy sigh.* It must be summer, because we&#039;re talking about SDCC in someplace other than SD again. It&#039;s like the swallows returning to Capistrano.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>*happy sigh.* It must be summer, because we&#8217;re talking about SDCC in someplace other than SD again. It&#8217;s like the swallows returning to Capistrano.</p>
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		<title>By: rich</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2008/07/17/san-diegos-economyagain/#comment-43391</link>
		<dc:creator>rich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 14:47:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not really the point ... the point made was that City Officials say that SDCC doesn&#039;t bring in the same revenue as other shows.  But if SDCC has 125,000 attendees paying $400 a night for room, versus 15,000 geologist guys at $200 per night -- SDCC brings in way more money.

The City Officials don&#039;t want to admit that a major portion of their economy is relying on funny books.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not really the point &#8230; the point made was that City Officials say that SDCC doesn&#8217;t bring in the same revenue as other shows.  But if SDCC has 125,000 attendees paying $400 a night for room, versus 15,000 geologist guys at $200 per night &#8212; SDCC brings in way more money.</p>
<p>The City Officials don&#8217;t want to admit that a major portion of their economy is relying on funny books.</p>
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		<title>By: Chip Mosher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chip Mosher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 07:59:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All this reminds me of back in &#039;88 when I packed 11 people in to a Holiday Inn room and we had 2 guy sleeping on the balcony. If I was the manager of that hotel, I would sure as hell jack up the prices if people were sleeping on the balcony. Oh, no. I sound like an old, old man. Dammitt!

Spurge - I like the bluegrass idea!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All this reminds me of back in &#8216;88 when I packed 11 people in to a Holiday Inn room and we had 2 guy sleeping on the balcony. If I was the manager of that hotel, I would sure as hell jack up the prices if people were sleeping on the balcony. Oh, no. I sound like an old, old man. Dammitt!</p>
<p>Spurge &#8211; I like the bluegrass idea!</p>
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