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	<title>Comments on: DC Month-to-Month Sales May 2008</title>
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		<title>By: Conklin</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2008/07/02/dc-month-to-month-sales-may-2008/#comment-57504</link>
		<dc:creator>Conklin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Oct 2010 10:57:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Shawn Hill</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2008/07/02/dc-month-to-month-sales-may-2008/#comment-42395</link>
		<dc:creator>Shawn Hill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 21:06:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: Wildstorm: Yes, they don&#039;t want to sever all ties with Jim Lee. They&#039;re still waiting for him to get it together, I think.

Re: Final Crisis: I agree with Paul&#039;s column, where he discusses the numbers as not that bad at all (compared to exceeding all expectations Secret Invasion). I think this one is a sleeper, too. The story is building to include more major players, the art is rock-solid, and word of mouth is going to work in its favor. All we&#039;ve got to judge by in May is anticipation based on Final Countdown. IE, there wasn&#039;t any, the series made no sense. But Grant Morrison isn&#039;t Paul Dini.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: Wildstorm: Yes, they don&#8217;t want to sever all ties with Jim Lee. They&#8217;re still waiting for him to get it together, I think.</p>
<p>Re: Final Crisis: I agree with Paul&#8217;s column, where he discusses the numbers as not that bad at all (compared to exceeding all expectations Secret Invasion). I think this one is a sleeper, too. The story is building to include more major players, the art is rock-solid, and word of mouth is going to work in its favor. All we&#8217;ve got to judge by in May is anticipation based on Final Countdown. IE, there wasn&#8217;t any, the series made no sense. But Grant Morrison isn&#8217;t Paul Dini.</p>
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		<title>By: steven spielberg and video games</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2008/07/02/dc-month-to-month-sales-may-2008/#comment-42394</link>
		<dc:creator>steven spielberg and video games</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 13:06:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;steven spielberg and video games...&lt;/strong&gt;

As you seem to know what your doing blogging wise, do you know what the best time of the week is to blog and have them read?...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>steven spielberg and video games&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>As you seem to know what your doing blogging wise, do you know what the best time of the week is to blog and have them read?&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Metal Misfit</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2008/07/02/dc-month-to-month-sales-may-2008/#comment-42393</link>
		<dc:creator>Metal Misfit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 03:50:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why do they still bother with the Wildstorm Universe?

If they wanna use WS as their licensed properties brand, fine. But why keep doing relaunch after relaunch of WSU? Are they afraid of ticking off Jim Lee if they completely axed their superheroes line?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why do they still bother with the Wildstorm Universe?</p>
<p>If they wanna use WS as their licensed properties brand, fine. But why keep doing relaunch after relaunch of WSU? Are they afraid of ticking off Jim Lee if they completely axed their superheroes line?</p>
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		<title>By: Cookylamoo</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2008/07/02/dc-month-to-month-sales-may-2008/#comment-42392</link>
		<dc:creator>Cookylamoo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 15:13:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One thing that may be hurting Vertigo may be what seems to be a &quot;house style&quot; of art.   Open just about any Vertigo book and you you find muddy grey muted artwork with sketchy drawings of skinny ugly women and fat gross men.   Nothing is very dynamic, everything is rather bland and presentational.   It&#039;s like reading a novel where the visuals don&#039;t really add that much.   I&#039;m not speaking of all Vertigo books, but in the main, one of their titles looks pretty much like another.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One thing that may be hurting Vertigo may be what seems to be a &#8220;house style&#8221; of art.   Open just about any Vertigo book and you you find muddy grey muted artwork with sketchy drawings of skinny ugly women and fat gross men.   Nothing is very dynamic, everything is rather bland and presentational.   It&#8217;s like reading a novel where the visuals don&#8217;t really add that much.   I&#8217;m not speaking of all Vertigo books, but in the main, one of their titles looks pretty much like another.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason Green</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2008/07/02/dc-month-to-month-sales-may-2008/#comment-42391</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason Green</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jul 2008 18:15:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One reason Scalped might be getting a longer chance to find an audience is that Jason Aaron is just now starting to get the attention of audiences thanks to his runs on Wolverine, Ghost Rider, Black Panther, etc. over at Marvel. Heck, I loved his Wolverine run so much that I took a chance on the first Scalped trade (haven&#039;t read it yet, but I can&#039;t wait to).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One reason Scalped might be getting a longer chance to find an audience is that Jason Aaron is just now starting to get the attention of audiences thanks to his runs on Wolverine, Ghost Rider, Black Panther, etc. over at Marvel. Heck, I loved his Wolverine run so much that I took a chance on the first Scalped trade (haven&#8217;t read it yet, but I can&#8217;t wait to).</p>
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		<title>By: Marc-Oliver Frisch</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2008/07/02/dc-month-to-month-sales-may-2008/#comment-42390</link>
		<dc:creator>Marc-Oliver Frisch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jul 2008 15:45:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Which leads me to suspect that the book is selling at a relatively much better rate somewhere else.&quot;

I&#039;ve heard the same speculations about LOVELESS, CROSSING MIDNIGHT and THE EXTERMINATORS, so I&#039;m skeptical. It&#039;s possible, but it&#039;s just as possible that SCALPED is being allowed to continue for reasons which have nothing to do with sales.

It does seem to be getting more good press and professional support than any other current Vertigo book in recent memory, after all. Depending on how much rope they&#039;ve got for this sort of thing, it wouldn&#039;t seem unreasonable to give the book some time to find an audience, even if the numbers weren&#039;t there yet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Which leads me to suspect that the book is selling at a relatively much better rate somewhere else.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve heard the same speculations about LOVELESS, CROSSING MIDNIGHT and THE EXTERMINATORS, so I&#8217;m skeptical. It&#8217;s possible, but it&#8217;s just as possible that SCALPED is being allowed to continue for reasons which have nothing to do with sales.</p>
<p>It does seem to be getting more good press and professional support than any other current Vertigo book in recent memory, after all. Depending on how much rope they&#8217;ve got for this sort of thing, it wouldn&#8217;t seem unreasonable to give the book some time to find an audience, even if the numbers weren&#8217;t there yet.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul O'Brien</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2008/07/02/dc-month-to-month-sales-may-2008/#comment-42389</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul O'Brien</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jul 2008 16:24:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, it&#039;s a question of degree.  Plainly the first chapter doesn&#039;t need to explain everything.  But it certainly needs to be meaningful enough to be entertaining in its own right.  There&#039;s no point publishing something in serial form unless the individual instalments can stand alone to some degree.  If the story only works when read as a whole, it shouldn&#039;t be serialised in the first place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, it&#8217;s a question of degree.  Plainly the first chapter doesn&#8217;t need to explain everything.  But it certainly needs to be meaningful enough to be entertaining in its own right.  There&#8217;s no point publishing something in serial form unless the individual instalments can stand alone to some degree.  If the story only works when read as a whole, it shouldn&#8217;t be serialised in the first place.</p>
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		<title>By: William</title>
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		<dc:creator>William</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jul 2008 16:02:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eric Wrote:

&quot;While I don’t know if I entirely agree that understanding in one issue is always reasonable (do you always know what’s going on by page 50 of a novel?)&quot;

Not quite the same thing, really, as you are given an entire novel all at once to be read at your own pace, as opposed to divided up into 6 or more parts published once a month. Ditto with movies. You don&#039;t get the first 25 minutes of the movie, then a &quot;To be continued in 30 days&quot; banner.

I think it might have to do more with the rise of the trade paperback. Back even 20 years ago, comics were rarely if ever traded. For that matter, a lot of storylines were shorter too. Now everything is traded, and often stories are stretched out to better fit a trade volume.

Anyway, you have a lot of new or current readers, myself included, who read trade paperbacks as much or perhaps even more than they do issues. When they do, it&#039;s mostly in one sitting, or at least much quicker than they would were they to wait a month for each installement.

Even serialised comics with volumes do this, particularly Manga. There&#039;s still a &#039;to be continued&#039;, but there&#039;s simply more story per installment.

I think that&#039;s where the mentality comes from more than anything.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eric Wrote:</p>
<p>&#8220;While I don’t know if I entirely agree that understanding in one issue is always reasonable (do you always know what’s going on by page 50 of a novel?)&#8221;</p>
<p>Not quite the same thing, really, as you are given an entire novel all at once to be read at your own pace, as opposed to divided up into 6 or more parts published once a month. Ditto with movies. You don&#8217;t get the first 25 minutes of the movie, then a &#8220;To be continued in 30 days&#8221; banner.</p>
<p>I think it might have to do more with the rise of the trade paperback. Back even 20 years ago, comics were rarely if ever traded. For that matter, a lot of storylines were shorter too. Now everything is traded, and often stories are stretched out to better fit a trade volume.</p>
<p>Anyway, you have a lot of new or current readers, myself included, who read trade paperbacks as much or perhaps even more than they do issues. When they do, it&#8217;s mostly in one sitting, or at least much quicker than they would were they to wait a month for each installement.</p>
<p>Even serialised comics with volumes do this, particularly Manga. There&#8217;s still a &#8216;to be continued&#8217;, but there&#8217;s simply more story per installment.</p>
<p>I think that&#8217;s where the mentality comes from more than anything.</p>
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		<title>By: SocraticBass</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2008/07/02/dc-month-to-month-sales-may-2008/#comment-42387</link>
		<dc:creator>SocraticBass</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jul 2008 04:41:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For me, a fundamental question regarding DC&#039;s decision making was answered when Sinestro Corps War became a &quot;sleeper hit.&quot; It got far less advertisement than Countdown, the GA/BC wedding special, and even Amazon Attacks. That&#039;s not just a marketing snafu, it&#039;s branding out the wrong things... backing the wrong horses.

When it comes to classic comic themes, Sinestro delivered. The books didn&#039;t rely on anything particularly &quot;catchy,&quot; nor were they saturated with gimicky hero death. The same thing happened with the Resurrection of Ras a Ghul.

A similar type of mini-epic within the pages of Flash or Green Arrow would have seen modest boosts I believe rather than the mess they seem to be in now.

Sinestro Corps War proves that fans are still right there ready to gobble up floppies. And the lingering effect demonstrates that if its done right, we&#039;ll stick around. Many of these other titles that are failing demonstrate that if you jerk our chains too hard, we&#039;ll spend our money on something else.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For me, a fundamental question regarding DC&#8217;s decision making was answered when Sinestro Corps War became a &#8220;sleeper hit.&#8221; It got far less advertisement than Countdown, the GA/BC wedding special, and even Amazon Attacks. That&#8217;s not just a marketing snafu, it&#8217;s branding out the wrong things&#8230; backing the wrong horses.</p>
<p>When it comes to classic comic themes, Sinestro delivered. The books didn&#8217;t rely on anything particularly &#8220;catchy,&#8221; nor were they saturated with gimicky hero death. The same thing happened with the Resurrection of Ras a Ghul.</p>
<p>A similar type of mini-epic within the pages of Flash or Green Arrow would have seen modest boosts I believe rather than the mess they seem to be in now.</p>
<p>Sinestro Corps War proves that fans are still right there ready to gobble up floppies. And the lingering effect demonstrates that if its done right, we&#8217;ll stick around. Many of these other titles that are failing demonstrate that if you jerk our chains too hard, we&#8217;ll spend our money on something else.</p>
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		<title>By: Zinoviev Letter</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2008/07/02/dc-month-to-month-sales-may-2008/#comment-42386</link>
		<dc:creator>Zinoviev Letter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jul 2008 04:02:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>About Scalped, according to a post on Jason Aaron&#039;s message boards both the first and second trade sold out their initial print runs in three months.

Now we don&#039;t know what the initial print runs were, but I think we can take it for granted that if the print runs are so low that even selling out can&#039;t bring a profit to Vertigo then they wouldn&#039;t produce it at all. So we have to assume that those sales are reasonably substantial. But we also know that the trades are only selling alright as far as first month direct market US sales are concerned. Which leads me to suspect that the book is selling at a relatively much better rate somewhere else.

That wouldn&#039;t be entirely surprising when we consider the subject matter. A crime story set on an Indian reservation isn&#039;t exactly the kind of thing calibrated to sell in the direct market outlets. But it might well be the kind of thing that sells in the bookstores.

The other circumstantial evidence is the very fact that the book hasn&#039;t been cancelled. It&#039;s 18 issues in now, which is a lot of issues for a book with first month periodical sales that low.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>About Scalped, according to a post on Jason Aaron&#8217;s message boards both the first and second trade sold out their initial print runs in three months.</p>
<p>Now we don&#8217;t know what the initial print runs were, but I think we can take it for granted that if the print runs are so low that even selling out can&#8217;t bring a profit to Vertigo then they wouldn&#8217;t produce it at all. So we have to assume that those sales are reasonably substantial. But we also know that the trades are only selling alright as far as first month direct market US sales are concerned. Which leads me to suspect that the book is selling at a relatively much better rate somewhere else.</p>
<p>That wouldn&#8217;t be entirely surprising when we consider the subject matter. A crime story set on an Indian reservation isn&#8217;t exactly the kind of thing calibrated to sell in the direct market outlets. But it might well be the kind of thing that sells in the bookstores.</p>
<p>The other circumstantial evidence is the very fact that the book hasn&#8217;t been cancelled. It&#8217;s 18 issues in now, which is a lot of issues for a book with first month periodical sales that low.</p>
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		<title>By: Samy Merchi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Samy Merchi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jul 2008 00:10:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To be honest, I find the nitpicking about whether a title is selling 19k or 21k rather petty. We&#039;re obviously discussing the numbers in the original post, who cares if they&#039;re not SuperAccurateOMGWTFBBQ100%AbsolutelyReal. So there&#039;s some magic &quot;absolutely accurate&quot; number floating somewhere out there that&#039;s 10% higher, so what, who cares? It&#039;s not like we&#039;re doing anything that requires the absolutely accurate numbers. This isn&#039;t a hospital where the milligrams of dosage has to be exact. We&#039;re engaging in estimating and predicting, and for something as nebulous as that, numbers in the 10-20% ballpark are *perfectly fine*. It is unimportant to the big picture that the actual real superhyperaccurate sales number encompassing absolutely everything possible is slightly higher. It doesn&#039;t matter. Let&#039;s just go with these numbers we have. The difference is trivial. Enough harping on it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To be honest, I find the nitpicking about whether a title is selling 19k or 21k rather petty. We&#8217;re obviously discussing the numbers in the original post, who cares if they&#8217;re not SuperAccurateOMGWTFBBQ100%AbsolutelyReal. So there&#8217;s some magic &#8220;absolutely accurate&#8221; number floating somewhere out there that&#8217;s 10% higher, so what, who cares? It&#8217;s not like we&#8217;re doing anything that requires the absolutely accurate numbers. This isn&#8217;t a hospital where the milligrams of dosage has to be exact. We&#8217;re engaging in estimating and predicting, and for something as nebulous as that, numbers in the 10-20% ballpark are *perfectly fine*. It is unimportant to the big picture that the actual real superhyperaccurate sales number encompassing absolutely everything possible is slightly higher. It doesn&#8217;t matter. Let&#8217;s just go with these numbers we have. The difference is trivial. Enough harping on it.</p>
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		<title>By: Marc-Oliver Frisch</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2008/07/02/dc-month-to-month-sales-may-2008/#comment-42384</link>
		<dc:creator>Marc-Oliver Frisch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 19:58:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kirk:

&quot;However, as soon as you attempt to determine trends, you are engaging in interpretation, which is not exactly editorializing, but it’s still a bit removed from “straight” reporting&quot;

Personally, I can live with that description. I regard the column as a piece of critical, independent analysis and commentary -  all opinions expressed are, of course, those of the author, et cetera, yadda yadda. That said, I agree with Paul that the primary objective is to make trends visible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kirk:</p>
<p>&#8220;However, as soon as you attempt to determine trends, you are engaging in interpretation, which is not exactly editorializing, but it’s still a bit removed from “straight” reporting&#8221;</p>
<p>Personally, I can live with that description. I regard the column as a piece of critical, independent analysis and commentary &#8211;  all opinions expressed are, of course, those of the author, et cetera, yadda yadda. That said, I agree with Paul that the primary objective is to make trends visible.</p>
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		<title>By: John Jackson Miller</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2008/07/02/dc-month-to-month-sales-may-2008/#comment-42383</link>
		<dc:creator>John Jackson Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 19:02:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And I meant to say up there that Items 1, 2, and 3 are the groups of copies NOT found in the monthly rankings. Oy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And I meant to say up there that Items 1, 2, and 3 are the groups of copies NOT found in the monthly rankings. Oy.</p>
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		<title>By: John Jackson Miller</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2008/07/02/dc-month-to-month-sales-may-2008/#comment-42382</link>
		<dc:creator>John Jackson Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 18:58:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That last line should be -- &quot;There’s always a lot of boilerplate small print that Marc-Oliver and Milton and I and the rest of us writing about this stuff have to put in, but it’s there for a reason.&quot; (Forget boilerplate -- Must. Remember. Predicates!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That last line should be &#8212; &#8220;There’s always a lot of boilerplate small print that Marc-Oliver and Milton and I and the rest of us writing about this stuff have to put in, but it’s there for a reason.&#8221; (Forget boilerplate &#8212; Must. Remember. Predicates!)</p>
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