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	<title>Comments on: Hollywood to San Diego: Don&#039;t stink us up</title>
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		<title>By: AndyG</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2008/06/23/hollywood-to-san-diego-dont-stink-us-up/#comment-41343</link>
		<dc:creator>AndyG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 19:20:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the idea should be to make Comic Con smaller anyway. I wish the film companies would just go away. How does Tropic Thunder this year have anything to do with comics or fandom? Answer: It doesn&#039;t. Hollywood has co-opted nerd prom and we should take it back.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the idea should be to make Comic Con smaller anyway. I wish the film companies would just go away. How does Tropic Thunder this year have anything to do with comics or fandom? Answer: It doesn&#8217;t. Hollywood has co-opted nerd prom and we should take it back.</p>
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		<title>By: Lea Hernandez</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2008/06/23/hollywood-to-san-diego-dont-stink-us-up/#comment-41342</link>
		<dc:creator>Lea Hernandez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 16:12:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m with Paul Pope. Fuck the NYT.</description>
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		<title>By: David Snyder</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2008/06/23/hollywood-to-san-diego-dont-stink-us-up/#comment-41341</link>
		<dc:creator>David Snyder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 13:44:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Vegas in the summer isn&#039;t bad.  It&#039;s not like you&#039;re outside all that much,  except in the pool, and even if you are out it&#039;s fine in the shade.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Vegas in the summer isn&#8217;t bad.  It&#8217;s not like you&#8217;re outside all that much,  except in the pool, and even if you are out it&#8217;s fine in the shade.</p>
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		<title>By: Susie</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2008/06/23/hollywood-to-san-diego-dont-stink-us-up/#comment-41340</link>
		<dc:creator>Susie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 19:00:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Katherine, Vegas is scary-hot in the summer. I&#039;d go in a heartbeat if it was some other season.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Katherine, Vegas is scary-hot in the summer. I&#8217;d go in a heartbeat if it was some other season.</p>
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		<title>By: Chad</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2008/06/23/hollywood-to-san-diego-dont-stink-us-up/#comment-41339</link>
		<dc:creator>Chad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 18:45:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bio&#039;s own Web site says, &quot;The BIO International Convention typically brings over $30 million in economic impact to the city in which the event is held. This includes direct spending, tax revenue and hotel room nights during convention.&quot; So in San Diego, that figure jumped to about $83 million? Wouldn&#039;t Bio then use the phrase &quot;more than $80 million&quot; in its own literature? Also, according to their Web site, Bio had workshops running from June 14 to 16 in San Diego, with the main convention taking place from June 17-20. That&#039;s another three days in which some attendees can spend money. The comparison doesn&#039;t seem fair at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bio&#8217;s own Web site says, &#8220;The BIO International Convention typically brings over $30 million in economic impact to the city in which the event is held. This includes direct spending, tax revenue and hotel room nights during convention.&#8221; So in San Diego, that figure jumped to about $83 million? Wouldn&#8217;t Bio then use the phrase &#8220;more than $80 million&#8221; in its own literature? Also, according to their Web site, Bio had workshops running from June 14 to 16 in San Diego, with the main convention taking place from June 17-20. That&#8217;s another three days in which some attendees can spend money. The comparison doesn&#8217;t seem fair at all.</p>
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		<title>By: Katherine Keller</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2008/06/23/hollywood-to-san-diego-dont-stink-us-up/#comment-41338</link>
		<dc:creator>Katherine Keller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 18:40:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I was doing the research for my now (im)famous article about why it makes sense for CCI:SD to become CCI: Las Vegas,  I emailed the the Dean of the UNLV Hotel College, Dr. Patti Shock, explaining what Comic-Con International was, and how many people it drew and asked if I could pick her brain.  She cc:d the president of Las Vegas Convention and Visitor Authority on her reply to me.

Very shortly after she sent that email, I had a high level person from the LVCVA on the phone to me, DURING THE BUSIEST CONVENTION WEEK OF HIS YEAR, offering to assist me in any way possible.

San Diego sneers at us.  Las Vegas really, &lt;i&gt;really&lt;/i&gt; wants all 120k+ of us.

I&#039;m just sayin&#039; is all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I was doing the research for my now (im)famous article about why it makes sense for CCI:SD to become CCI: Las Vegas,  I emailed the the Dean of the UNLV Hotel College, Dr. Patti Shock, explaining what Comic-Con International was, and how many people it drew and asked if I could pick her brain.  She cc:d the president of Las Vegas Convention and Visitor Authority on her reply to me.</p>
<p>Very shortly after she sent that email, I had a high level person from the LVCVA on the phone to me, DURING THE BUSIEST CONVENTION WEEK OF HIS YEAR, offering to assist me in any way possible.</p>
<p>San Diego sneers at us.  Las Vegas really, <i>really</i> wants all 120k+ of us.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m just sayin&#8217; is all.</p>
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		<title>By: The Beat</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2008/06/23/hollywood-to-san-diego-dont-stink-us-up/#comment-41337</link>
		<dc:creator>The Beat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 18:38:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2008/02/07/a-day-of-triumphand-tragedy/#more-4631&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Lea, these kinds of analyses are not hard to find&lt;/a&gt; as I wrote a while ago:

&lt;I&gt;These 15,000 map-muddlers generated some $46.5 million in economic impact for San Diego in 2006. Comic-con? A mere $32.1 million. Doing the math, a geographer computer nerd spends $3100 in San Diego. A stormtrooper, a scant $267 (based on an estimate of 120,000 attendees in 2006.)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Something about these numbers seems a bit wack. For instance, say only 20,000 of those 120,000 stayed in hotels. Let’s say they averaged $1000 for their hotel stays. That alone is $20 million. Now, say each of those 120,000 people had subsisted on a single can of tuna fish a day from Ralph’s. That’s another million dollars right there.&lt;/i&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2008/02/07/a-day-of-triumphand-tragedy/#more-4631" rel="nofollow">Lea, these kinds of analyses are not hard to find</a> as I wrote a while ago:</p>
<p><i>These 15,000 map-muddlers generated some $46.5 million in economic impact for San Diego in 2006. Comic-con? A mere $32.1 million. Doing the math, a geographer computer nerd spends $3100 in San Diego. A stormtrooper, a scant $267 (based on an estimate of 120,000 attendees in 2006.)</p>
<p>Something about these numbers seems a bit wack. For instance, say only 20,000 of those 120,000 stayed in hotels. Let’s say they averaged $1000 for their hotel stays. That alone is $20 million. Now, say each of those 120,000 people had subsisted on a single can of tuna fish a day from Ralph’s. That’s another million dollars right there.</i><br /></p>
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		<title>By: Susie</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2008/06/23/hollywood-to-san-diego-dont-stink-us-up/#comment-41336</link>
		<dc:creator>Susie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 18:35:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not quite conscious right now, but does it really matter how much (for example) biotech v. comic book convention attendees spends at a con? The number of people attending is drastically different. Sheer numbers make up for the amount spent.

If anything it&#039;s a matter of where the money goes. It&#039;s the difference between dining at Osetra Watergrill or running over to Tin Fish.

If one were to discuss hotels, I think all of San Diego County benefits from the weekend of Con. When rooms in Hotel Circle and as far out as National City and Chula Vista get booked it kinda spreads the wealth outside of downtown.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not quite conscious right now, but does it really matter how much (for example) biotech v. comic book convention attendees spends at a con? The number of people attending is drastically different. Sheer numbers make up for the amount spent.</p>
<p>If anything it&#8217;s a matter of where the money goes. It&#8217;s the difference between dining at Osetra Watergrill or running over to Tin Fish.</p>
<p>If one were to discuss hotels, I think all of San Diego County benefits from the weekend of Con. When rooms in Hotel Circle and as far out as National City and Chula Vista get booked it kinda spreads the wealth outside of downtown.</p>
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		<title>By: Chad</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2008/06/23/hollywood-to-san-diego-dont-stink-us-up/#comment-41335</link>
		<dc:creator>Chad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 18:28:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All of you have made valid arguments for why this article was a little off the mark, but for my money, Paul Pope wins.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All of you have made valid arguments for why this article was a little off the mark, but for my money, Paul Pope wins.</p>
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		<title>By: maija</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2008/06/23/hollywood-to-san-diego-dont-stink-us-up/#comment-41334</link>
		<dc:creator>maija</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 16:48:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay, if it&#039;s not an annual show then it&#039;s not a fair comparison.</description>
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		<title>By: Lea Hernandez</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2008/06/23/hollywood-to-san-diego-dont-stink-us-up/#comment-41333</link>
		<dc:creator>Lea Hernandez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 16:33:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BTW, the Bio Inetrnational covention does not always happen in SD, as this implies:

&quot; The Bio International Convention in San Diego, a gathering of the biotechnology industry, with one-sixth as many attendees, produces about double Comic-Con’s $41.5 million in economic impact on the city.&quot;

In fact, it won&#039;t be in San Diego until 2012, if it&#039;s in San Diego at all.

http://www.bio2007.org/Save%20the%20Date%202008-2011.pdf

So, $82 mil for one year, as opposed to what the con brings in year after year?

I give Cieply the benefit of the doubt that neither he nor his editors caught that big difference between and &quot;s&quot; and a &quot;d&quot; after &quot;produce.&quot; &quot;Produces&quot; suggests the Bio Int. show happens in SD annually, &quot;produced&quot; is the accurate word for a how that isn&#039;t happening in San Diego again for some years, if at all.

Again, I challenge either Cieply, the writer of this article, to cite the source of his numbers, or the City of San Diego to show the numbers, because I call bullshit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BTW, the Bio Inetrnational covention does not always happen in SD, as this implies:</p>
<p>&#8221; The Bio International Convention in San Diego, a gathering of the biotechnology industry, with one-sixth as many attendees, produces about double Comic-Con’s $41.5 million in economic impact on the city.&#8221;</p>
<p>In fact, it won&#8217;t be in San Diego until 2012, if it&#8217;s in San Diego at all.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.bio2007.org/Save%20the%20Date%202008-2011.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.bio2007.org/Save%20the%20Date%202008-2011.pdf</a></p>
<p>So, $82 mil for one year, as opposed to what the con brings in year after year?</p>
<p>I give Cieply the benefit of the doubt that neither he nor his editors caught that big difference between and &#8220;s&#8221; and a &#8220;d&#8221; after &#8220;produce.&#8221; &#8220;Produces&#8221; suggests the Bio Int. show happens in SD annually, &#8220;produced&#8221; is the accurate word for a how that isn&#8217;t happening in San Diego again for some years, if at all.</p>
<p>Again, I challenge either Cieply, the writer of this article, to cite the source of his numbers, or the City of San Diego to show the numbers, because I call bullshit.</p>
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		<title>By: maija</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2008/06/23/hollywood-to-san-diego-dont-stink-us-up/#comment-41332</link>
		<dc:creator>maija</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 15:33:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>*$300 million to the local economy, yes three hundred and forty-five million

Hahahaha, man, I&#039;d better have some breakfast.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>*$300 million to the local economy, yes three hundred and forty-five million</p>
<p>Hahahaha, man, I&#8217;d better have some breakfast.</p>
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		<title>By: maija</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2008/06/23/hollywood-to-san-diego-dont-stink-us-up/#comment-41331</link>
		<dc:creator>maija</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 15:32:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How did &quot;we&quot; all decide that it&#039;s not true that biotech drops a ton more money on the city that comic con attendees? I&#039;ve worked for big pharma and I&#039;ve been involved in event planning in conjunction with an oil &amp; gas trade show and I&#039;m confident in estimating that the amount spent by corporations splashing out on parties and those with corporate expense accounts is orders of magnitude greater than the average Comic Con attendee. &lt;I&gt;Easily&lt;/I&gt;. But that&#039;s not including the impact beyond just the hospitality industry. The Global Petroleum Show is happening here in Calgary at the moment with 62,000 attendees and is estimated to generate $11 BILLION in local economic impact. Yes, that&#039;s because Oil &amp; Gas is based here. But if a lot of biotech is based in southern California and San Diego, you&#039;re talking about a similar type of &quot;local economic impact&quot;. It&#039;s not merely the $2000 bottles of scotch at the local bar. There is absolutely no comparison with Comic Con. It seems big because of the 125,000 attendees, but economically, it&#039;s peanuts.

And whatever the Comic Con attendee is spending is spent largely inside the convention centre on retailers who are going to leave town with the money.

Torsten: &lt;i&gt;Make it a destination&lt;/I&gt;. Really? &lt;I&gt;More&lt;/I&gt; people need to be attracted to San Diego during Comic Con? You think that &lt;I&gt;less&lt;/I&gt; parking and &lt;I&gt;worse&lt;/I&gt; traffic jams on Harbor Drive would make the event more endearing to San Diegans?

As a Calgarian who suffers through 10 days of the drunken redneck Mardi Gras that is Stampede every year (which is estimated to contribute $300 million to the local economy, yes three hundred and forty-five million), I can sympathise with San Diegans, and assure you that tacking a fun, family-oriented parade and other events onto it won&#039;t make it any more attractive to those who are annoyed by it. Spreading the party around only makes it more obnoxious to those who are not interested.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How did &#8220;we&#8221; all decide that it&#8217;s not true that biotech drops a ton more money on the city that comic con attendees? I&#8217;ve worked for big pharma and I&#8217;ve been involved in event planning in conjunction with an oil &amp; gas trade show and I&#8217;m confident in estimating that the amount spent by corporations splashing out on parties and those with corporate expense accounts is orders of magnitude greater than the average Comic Con attendee. <i>Easily</i>. But that&#8217;s not including the impact beyond just the hospitality industry. The Global Petroleum Show is happening here in Calgary at the moment with 62,000 attendees and is estimated to generate $11 BILLION in local economic impact. Yes, that&#8217;s because Oil &amp; Gas is based here. But if a lot of biotech is based in southern California and San Diego, you&#8217;re talking about a similar type of &#8220;local economic impact&#8221;. It&#8217;s not merely the $2000 bottles of scotch at the local bar. There is absolutely no comparison with Comic Con. It seems big because of the 125,000 attendees, but economically, it&#8217;s peanuts.</p>
<p>And whatever the Comic Con attendee is spending is spent largely inside the convention centre on retailers who are going to leave town with the money.</p>
<p>Torsten: <i>Make it a destination</i>. Really? <i>More</i> people need to be attracted to San Diego during Comic Con? You think that <i>less</i> parking and <i>worse</i> traffic jams on Harbor Drive would make the event more endearing to San Diegans?</p>
<p>As a Calgarian who suffers through 10 days of the drunken redneck Mardi Gras that is Stampede every year (which is estimated to contribute $300 million to the local economy, yes three hundred and forty-five million), I can sympathise with San Diegans, and assure you that tacking a fun, family-oriented parade and other events onto it won&#8217;t make it any more attractive to those who are annoyed by it. Spreading the party around only makes it more obnoxious to those who are not interested.</p>
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		<title>By: pulphope</title>
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		<dc:creator>pulphope</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 09:46:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Note to New York Times:  Fuck off.</description>
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		<title>By: Torsten Adair</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2008/06/23/hollywood-to-san-diego-dont-stink-us-up/#comment-41329</link>
		<dc:creator>Torsten Adair</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 21:38:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yup...  all those movie celebrities coming to Comic-Con are not as glamourous as Bio Tech.

Some solutions:  Hand out pre-printed Comic-Con coupons.  When an attendee makes a purchase at a restaurant, you fill in the amount spent and hand it to the cashier.  Maybe allow the retailer to redeem the coupons for ad space in next year&#039;s convention guide.

Wednesday night, hold a costume parade open to everyone.  Model it on New York&#039;s Village Halloween parade.  Have it end at the baseball stadium parking lot, with vendors, activities, fun for the whole family.

Us cool kids know about the San Diego Comic-Con.  What needs to be done is to brand and link it to the city of San Diego, so that everyone knows about it.  Make it a destination, like New Year&#039;s in Times Square, or Halloween in Key West.

The Con should also program more events outside the confines of the Convention Center, and at various dates throughout the year.  This creates goodwill with the local citizens, which in turn creates goodwill with area politicians, pundits, and leaders.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yup&#8230;  all those movie celebrities coming to Comic-Con are not as glamourous as Bio Tech.</p>
<p>Some solutions:  Hand out pre-printed Comic-Con coupons.  When an attendee makes a purchase at a restaurant, you fill in the amount spent and hand it to the cashier.  Maybe allow the retailer to redeem the coupons for ad space in next year&#8217;s convention guide.</p>
<p>Wednesday night, hold a costume parade open to everyone.  Model it on New York&#8217;s Village Halloween parade.  Have it end at the baseball stadium parking lot, with vendors, activities, fun for the whole family.</p>
<p>Us cool kids know about the San Diego Comic-Con.  What needs to be done is to brand and link it to the city of San Diego, so that everyone knows about it.  Make it a destination, like New Year&#8217;s in Times Square, or Halloween in Key West.</p>
<p>The Con should also program more events outside the confines of the Convention Center, and at various dates throughout the year.  This creates goodwill with the local citizens, which in turn creates goodwill with area politicians, pundits, and leaders.</p>
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