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		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Feb 2010 23:20:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Nov 2008 02:50:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So question, as I was looking at tokyopop thinking it sounded kinda appealing. For an upstart artist what else is there? I&#039;ve yet to hear of any other companies that are yet publishing manga-type stories... and I already publish a comic online, which has made me a grand total of no dollars, so, yah know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So question, as I was looking at tokyopop thinking it sounded kinda appealing. For an upstart artist what else is there? I&#8217;ve yet to hear of any other companies that are yet publishing manga-type stories&#8230; and I already publish a comic online, which has made me a grand total of no dollars, so, yah know.</p>
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		<title>By: Blog@Newsarama &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Still more on Tokyopop</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blog@Newsarama &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Still more on Tokyopop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jun 2008 14:06:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Heidi MacDonald:  We’re hearing that editorial cuts at Tokyopop include Rob Tokar, Luis Reyes, Paul Morrissey, Hope Donovan and Tim Beedle. Which means the two editors in charge of the Manga PIlot Program. who were defending it just last week are now gone. Oops. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Heidi MacDonald:  We’re hearing that editorial cuts at Tokyopop include Rob Tokar, Luis Reyes, Paul Morrissey, Hope Donovan and Tim Beedle. Which means the two editors in charge of the Manga PIlot Program. who were defending it just last week are now gone. Oops. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: mike weber</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2008/05/29/tokyopop-the-other-side/#comment-40050</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 20:33:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I still remember the conflagration that erupted thirty years ago when Pocket Books came up with a new &quot;standard contract&quot; that (as i recall), among other things, had an options clause that essentially meant that once they bought your book, you couldn&#039;t show the next thing you wrote - even if it was a totally unrelated work - to any other publisher until they decided not to pick up their option on it... and gave them like a year (or possibly up to a year to decide after publication of the first work, which they could *also* delay doing for up to a year...) to make the decision, during which time, you couldn&#039;t sell anything else to anyone else.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I still remember the conflagration that erupted thirty years ago when Pocket Books came up with a new &#8220;standard contract&#8221; that (as i recall), among other things, had an options clause that essentially meant that once they bought your book, you couldn&#8217;t show the next thing you wrote &#8211; even if it was a totally unrelated work &#8211; to any other publisher until they decided not to pick up their option on it&#8230; and gave them like a year (or possibly up to a year to decide after publication of the first work, which they could *also* delay doing for up to a year&#8230;) to make the decision, during which time, you couldn&#8217;t sell anything else to anyone else.</p>
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		<title>By: Lea Hernandez</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2008/05/29/tokyopop-the-other-side/#comment-40049</link>
		<dc:creator>Lea Hernandez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jun 2008 20:55:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excuse me, Todd, you don&#039;t have to be a lawyer (nor have a top-10% LSAT) to know this contract stinks.

A few years in comics will teach you. I parlayed my bottom-quarter high school GPA into &quot;smart enough to know better.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excuse me, Todd, you don&#8217;t have to be a lawyer (nor have a top-10% LSAT) to know this contract stinks.</p>
<p>A few years in comics will teach you. I parlayed my bottom-quarter high school GPA into &#8220;smart enough to know better.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Joel Bryan</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2008/05/29/tokyopop-the-other-side/#comment-40048</link>
		<dc:creator>Joel Bryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 May 2008 22:41:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But I&#039;m not surprised at the vitriol.  The cutesy-pie wording of this contract is unconscionable.  It&#039;s playing on the idea that would-be creators think &quot;Anyone who makes such a chatty li&#039;l contract like that must be looking out for my best interest... they&#039;d never take my ideas and then shut me out of the loop.&quot;  It&#039;s a raw and blatant attempt to shuck and jive the naive.  Disgustingly cynical.

That&#039;s what people are reacting to.  It&#039;s like getting a razor blade wrapped in cotton candy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But I&#8217;m not surprised at the vitriol.  The cutesy-pie wording of this contract is unconscionable.  It&#8217;s playing on the idea that would-be creators think &#8220;Anyone who makes such a chatty li&#8217;l contract like that must be looking out for my best interest&#8230; they&#8217;d never take my ideas and then shut me out of the loop.&#8221;  It&#8217;s a raw and blatant attempt to shuck and jive the naive.  Disgustingly cynical.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s what people are reacting to.  It&#8217;s like getting a razor blade wrapped in cotton candy.</p>
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		<title>By: Joel Bryan</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2008/05/29/tokyopop-the-other-side/#comment-40047</link>
		<dc:creator>Joel Bryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 May 2008 22:37:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think it matters if other contracts are worse.  That&#039;s the old &quot;two wrongs&quot; argument and doesn&#039;t wash.  A bad contract is still a bad contract.

The credit problem Mark Waid points out is heinous, but corporate ownership of someone else&#039;s creations is almost as bad.

If someone wants to sign up with Marvel or DC to work on Spider-Man or Batman, that&#039;s great.  But in all other cases, you should own what you create.  Some creators have had their characters and stories taken away from them due to the stipulations of this contract... or one with less BS folksy worded nonsense meant to lull you into signing away ownership of your own work.  That they signed- that others throughout the history of comics in America have signed even worse contracts- doesn&#039;t make it anywhere near okay.

Work for hire needs to stop.  Corporate authorship needs to stop.  There&#039;s still plenty of money to be made without scamming creators out of ownership of their intellectual properties.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think it matters if other contracts are worse.  That&#8217;s the old &#8220;two wrongs&#8221; argument and doesn&#8217;t wash.  A bad contract is still a bad contract.</p>
<p>The credit problem Mark Waid points out is heinous, but corporate ownership of someone else&#8217;s creations is almost as bad.</p>
<p>If someone wants to sign up with Marvel or DC to work on Spider-Man or Batman, that&#8217;s great.  But in all other cases, you should own what you create.  Some creators have had their characters and stories taken away from them due to the stipulations of this contract&#8230; or one with less BS folksy worded nonsense meant to lull you into signing away ownership of your own work.  That they signed- that others throughout the history of comics in America have signed even worse contracts- doesn&#8217;t make it anywhere near okay.</p>
<p>Work for hire needs to stop.  Corporate authorship needs to stop.  There&#8217;s still plenty of money to be made without scamming creators out of ownership of their intellectual properties.</p>
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		<title>By: Todd VerBeek</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2008/05/29/tokyopop-the-other-side/#comment-40046</link>
		<dc:creator>Todd VerBeek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 May 2008 02:27:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been a bit surprised at the level of vitriol spat out over this contract.  I&#039;m no cartooning professional, and I freely admit that I never got around to parlaying my top-10-percent LSAT score into an actual law degree.  But the terms of this contract aren&#039;t as mercenary as they&#039;ve been made out to be, and they certainly aren&#039;t as fraught with peril as (for example) the &lt;a href=&quot;http://briefs.toddverbeek.com/epic-comics-creator-owned-contract/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&quot;creator-owned&quot; contract&lt;/a&gt; Marvel was offering for Epic a few years ago.  I wouldn&#039;t ask a lawyer to illustrate one of my scripts, and this tempest in a teacup is why I wouldn&#039;t turn to a cartoonist (or myself) for legal advice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been a bit surprised at the level of vitriol spat out over this contract.  I&#8217;m no cartooning professional, and I freely admit that I never got around to parlaying my top-10-percent LSAT score into an actual law degree.  But the terms of this contract aren&#8217;t as mercenary as they&#8217;ve been made out to be, and they certainly aren&#8217;t as fraught with peril as (for example) the <a href="http://briefs.toddverbeek.com/epic-comics-creator-owned-contract/" rel="nofollow">&#8220;creator-owned&#8221; contract</a> Marvel was offering for Epic a few years ago.  I wouldn&#8217;t ask a lawyer to illustrate one of my scripts, and this tempest in a teacup is why I wouldn&#8217;t turn to a cartoonist (or myself) for legal advice.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Tylor</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2008/05/29/tokyopop-the-other-side/#comment-40045</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Tylor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 11:41:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Erratum: &quot;&lt;b&gt;his&lt;/b&gt; full post.&quot; Apologies to RS. :(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Erratum: &#8220;<b>his</b> full post.&#8221; Apologies to RS. :(</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Tylor</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2008/05/29/tokyopop-the-other-side/#comment-40044</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Tylor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 11:33:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Might be worth pointing out that Rikki Simons wasn&#039;t writing to defend the pact, and her full post is actually very critical of and concerned about it: &quot;So I conclude, Tokyopop, my Tokyopop, you would benefit, and I say this as someone who wants to see you make good, who wants to see you prosper under a system of justice — dump this Pilot Program and instead issue real contracts like the one you gave Tavisha and I in February of 2003.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Might be worth pointing out that Rikki Simons wasn&#8217;t writing to defend the pact, and her full post is actually very critical of and concerned about it: &#8220;So I conclude, Tokyopop, my Tokyopop, you would benefit, and I say this as someone who wants to see you make good, who wants to see you prosper under a system of justice — dump this Pilot Program and instead issue real contracts like the one you gave Tavisha and I in February of 2003.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Charles RB</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2008/05/29/tokyopop-the-other-side/#comment-40043</link>
		<dc:creator>Charles RB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 01:11:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mmm. I&#039;ve heard rebuttals at the Tokyopop outrage, but I&#039;m personally going to go with Hernandez, Stillwell, Waid, O&#039;Malley, and Oni Press &amp; Dark Horse on this &#039;un, as I&#039;m assuming they&#039;re in a position to know this stuff.

And I&#039;m laughing at Manga Blog&#039;s &quot;ooer, there are people who hate Tokyopop for reasons of their own!&quot; comment. Laughing a LOT.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mmm. I&#8217;ve heard rebuttals at the Tokyopop outrage, but I&#8217;m personally going to go with Hernandez, Stillwell, Waid, O&#8217;Malley, and Oni Press &amp; Dark Horse on this &#8216;un, as I&#8217;m assuming they&#8217;re in a position to know this stuff.</p>
<p>And I&#8217;m laughing at Manga Blog&#8217;s &#8220;ooer, there are people who hate Tokyopop for reasons of their own!&#8221; comment. Laughing a LOT.</p>
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		<title>By: Allen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Allen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 23:04:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear DC, Marvel, Dark Horse, etc.,

Take a proactive stance regarding bringing in ACTUAL new talent.

Thank you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear DC, Marvel, Dark Horse, etc.,</p>
<p>Take a proactive stance regarding bringing in ACTUAL new talent.</p>
<p>Thank you.</p>
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		<title>By: Katie Moody</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2008/05/29/tokyopop-the-other-side/#comment-40041</link>
		<dc:creator>Katie Moody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 20:50:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Quoting Heidi: &quot;We actually received private communiques from people we respect who pointed out that contracts offered by DC, Dark Horse, Oni and so on are just as restrictive at the end of the day, retaining trademarks, co-owning copyrights, holding onto ancillary rights and so on. (That’s a blanket overview and not a universal analysis of any one company’s contracts.) The sad bottom line, as we read it, is that in comics, it is still standard operating procedure to exploit IP in a way that is vastly more favorable to the publisher.&quot;

And here I feel compelled to defend my employer. While Dark Horse, like any company, does have its flaws, respecting creators&#039; rights is NOT one of them: The copyrights and trademarks to any creator-owned properties are retained by the folks who create the work (see: Sin City, Hellboy, Concrete, Samurai: Heaven and Earth, etc.), and it&#039;s the central issue the company was founded on back in 1986. While most of our creator-owned contracts do stipulate that media and digital rights will be under Dark Horse&#039;s stewardship, even those deals aren&#039;t cut without the involvement and consent of the copyright and trademark holders.

We do publish a lot of licensed properties, and often publish Dark Horse-owned properties, so work on those books will necessarily be work-for-hire, as will most coloring and lettering jobs. But whomever has claim to the copyright and trademark will always be stated as such in the indicia, and we try to be diligent about including copyright and trademark lines in promotional materials. It&#039;s never our intention to come across as owning any IP-- creator-owned, licensed, or otherwise-- that we don&#039;t actually own outright.

It&#039;s a privilege to work with the creators we attract, and it&#039;s in our interest to do right by them legally-- else they&#039;ll stop coming around. That&#039;s certainly drilled into those of us in Editorial from the start.

Respectfully submitted.
Katie Moody
Associate Editor</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quoting Heidi: &#8220;We actually received private communiques from people we respect who pointed out that contracts offered by DC, Dark Horse, Oni and so on are just as restrictive at the end of the day, retaining trademarks, co-owning copyrights, holding onto ancillary rights and so on. (That’s a blanket overview and not a universal analysis of any one company’s contracts.) The sad bottom line, as we read it, is that in comics, it is still standard operating procedure to exploit IP in a way that is vastly more favorable to the publisher.&#8221;</p>
<p>And here I feel compelled to defend my employer. While Dark Horse, like any company, does have its flaws, respecting creators&#8217; rights is NOT one of them: The copyrights and trademarks to any creator-owned properties are retained by the folks who create the work (see: Sin City, Hellboy, Concrete, Samurai: Heaven and Earth, etc.), and it&#8217;s the central issue the company was founded on back in 1986. While most of our creator-owned contracts do stipulate that media and digital rights will be under Dark Horse&#8217;s stewardship, even those deals aren&#8217;t cut without the involvement and consent of the copyright and trademark holders.</p>
<p>We do publish a lot of licensed properties, and often publish Dark Horse-owned properties, so work on those books will necessarily be work-for-hire, as will most coloring and lettering jobs. But whomever has claim to the copyright and trademark will always be stated as such in the indicia, and we try to be diligent about including copyright and trademark lines in promotional materials. It&#8217;s never our intention to come across as owning any IP&#8211; creator-owned, licensed, or otherwise&#8211; that we don&#8217;t actually own outright.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a privilege to work with the creators we attract, and it&#8217;s in our interest to do right by them legally&#8211; else they&#8217;ll stop coming around. That&#8217;s certainly drilled into those of us in Editorial from the start.</p>
<p>Respectfully submitted.<br />
Katie Moody<br />
Associate Editor</p>
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		<title>By: Randal C. Jarrell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Randal C. Jarrell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 18:29:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d like to clarify and/or correct something Heidi wrote.

Oni Press does not retain the trademark of ANY book we have ever published.  Similarly, we have NEVER retained or even shared copyright on ANY project we have EVER published.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d like to clarify and/or correct something Heidi wrote.</p>
<p>Oni Press does not retain the trademark of ANY book we have ever published.  Similarly, we have NEVER retained or even shared copyright on ANY project we have EVER published.</p>
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