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	<title>Comments on: Tokyopop: Hey, dude, totally bad contract!</title>
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		<title>By: datingSites</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2008/05/28/tokyopop-hey-dude-totally-bad-contract/#comment-40009</link>
		<dc:creator>datingSites</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 14:12:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No doubt, there is many to know about this issue and I appreciate the points mentioned by you in Features.</description>
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		<title>By: Read and Review with TokyoPop - Help to decide what they publish! &#171; LibeRaCe&#8217;s Library Blog</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2008/05/28/tokyopop-hey-dude-totally-bad-contract/#comment-40008</link>
		<dc:creator>Read and Review with TokyoPop - Help to decide what they publish! &#171; LibeRaCe&#8217;s Library Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 13:52:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] However, not everyone is happy about the contracts that Tokyopop is offering these new authors&#8230;&#8230;see the Beat for more specfic details&#8230;.. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] However, not everyone is happy about the contracts that Tokyopop is offering these new authors&#8230;&#8230;see the Beat for more specfic details&#8230;.. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Laughing Boy Comics &#187; Archive &#187; Dear Artists, #$%@ you. Love the United States Congress and TokyoPop.</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2008/05/28/tokyopop-hey-dude-totally-bad-contract/#comment-40007</link>
		<dc:creator>Laughing Boy Comics &#187; Archive &#187; Dear Artists, #$%@ you. Love the United States Congress and TokyoPop.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 02:24:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] And if government insanity wasn&#8217;t enough, TokyoPop apparently no longer cares about even trying to seem like they want to foster relationships with creators. Their new contest is basically a contractual, 70s era New York City street hustle. Only you have to pay to get thrown into the dumpster at the end. Scott Pilgrim&#8217;s Bryan Lee O&#8217;Malley gives the hi-lights, while Heidi MacDonald over at The Beat gives an excellent collection of reactions and insight. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] And if government insanity wasn&#8217;t enough, TokyoPop apparently no longer cares about even trying to seem like they want to foster relationships with creators. Their new contest is basically a contractual, 70s era New York City street hustle. Only you have to pay to get thrown into the dumpster at the end. Scott Pilgrim&#8217;s Bryan Lee O&#8217;Malley gives the hi-lights, while Heidi MacDonald over at The Beat gives an excellent collection of reactions and insight. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Kartos</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2008/05/28/tokyopop-hey-dude-totally-bad-contract/#comment-40006</link>
		<dc:creator>Kartos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 03:01:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kiel, you act as if the professors at SCAD aren&#039;t industry professionals, and are not teaching their students how to spot bullshit contracts like these. The fact that this article has pointed out that the company hasn&#039;t been asked back to an Editors Day shows how little they will let their students fall for this BS. When I was there, we all looked at one another with apprehension listening to TokyoPop&#039;s old crap, but the fact that the department has gone to that length says it all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kiel, you act as if the professors at SCAD aren&#8217;t industry professionals, and are not teaching their students how to spot bullshit contracts like these. The fact that this article has pointed out that the company hasn&#8217;t been asked back to an Editors Day shows how little they will let their students fall for this BS. When I was there, we all looked at one another with apprehension listening to TokyoPop&#8217;s old crap, but the fact that the department has gone to that length says it all.</p>
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		<title>By: Manga writers: don&#8217;t sign that TokyoPop contract! &#171; The Webcomic Overlook</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2008/05/28/tokyopop-hey-dude-totally-bad-contract/#comment-40005</link>
		<dc:creator>Manga writers: don&#8217;t sign that TokyoPop contract! &#171; The Webcomic Overlook</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 22:58:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] TokyoPop: Hey, dude, totally bad contract! [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Josh Elder</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2008/05/28/tokyopop-hey-dude-totally-bad-contract/#comment-40004</link>
		<dc:creator>Josh Elder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 19:06:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This contract isn&#039;t great, but it&#039;s not terrible. It really isn&#039;t. For a major publisher (and whatever you may think of Tokyopop&#039;s output or business practices, they still qualify as a major publisher of graphc novels) to open their doors to talent like this is a big deal. Just look at the success that past winners of the Rising Star contest  (myself, Felipe Smith, Svetlana Chmakova, Amy Hadley, etc.) have had and are having in the wider world. Being published by Tokyopop does give you credibility in the field, it does give you exposure in the marketplace and it does give you leverage in your next contract with Tokyopop or any other publisher.

Do I have problems with Tokyopop as a company? Sure. Do I have problems with my contract? Double sure. But that&#039;s life. And life isn&#039;t perfect, and neither are first-time contracts for young creators in any creative field.

I could have kept all rights to &quot;Mail Order Ninja&#039; and self-published or distributed the book via the Internet, but then I would have been paying to produce the book rather than being paid. And I would have started from nothing and had to spend years creating the kind of brand confidence and value that Tokyopop can provide simply by stamping their logo on the cover.

Or I could have held out for another publisher to offer me a better deal. Only there weren&#039;t any other publishers offering any kinds of deals to anyone like me. I had interned at DC and still couldn&#039;t get work there to save my life. And now -- after Tokyopop published &quot;Mail Order Ninja&quot; -- I have all sorts of offers from the major book publishers and I write Batman.

Economics is all about trade-offs. I traded some control and possible long-term financial renumeration in exchange for immediate monetary compensation and exposure. And less than two years later, I have a full-time career in comics. Plus the clout to get a much better deal out of any future contracts. Not so bad as far as trade-offs go.

So as long as creators go into this deal with eyes wide open, I don&#039;t see the problem.

I now anxiously await being labeled &quot;Tokyopop&#039;s own D.J. Coffman&quot; ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This contract isn&#8217;t great, but it&#8217;s not terrible. It really isn&#8217;t. For a major publisher (and whatever you may think of Tokyopop&#8217;s output or business practices, they still qualify as a major publisher of graphc novels) to open their doors to talent like this is a big deal. Just look at the success that past winners of the Rising Star contest  (myself, Felipe Smith, Svetlana Chmakova, Amy Hadley, etc.) have had and are having in the wider world. Being published by Tokyopop does give you credibility in the field, it does give you exposure in the marketplace and it does give you leverage in your next contract with Tokyopop or any other publisher.</p>
<p>Do I have problems with Tokyopop as a company? Sure. Do I have problems with my contract? Double sure. But that&#8217;s life. And life isn&#8217;t perfect, and neither are first-time contracts for young creators in any creative field.</p>
<p>I could have kept all rights to &#8220;Mail Order Ninja&#8217; and self-published or distributed the book via the Internet, but then I would have been paying to produce the book rather than being paid. And I would have started from nothing and had to spend years creating the kind of brand confidence and value that Tokyopop can provide simply by stamping their logo on the cover.</p>
<p>Or I could have held out for another publisher to offer me a better deal. Only there weren&#8217;t any other publishers offering any kinds of deals to anyone like me. I had interned at DC and still couldn&#8217;t get work there to save my life. And now &#8212; after Tokyopop published &#8220;Mail Order Ninja&#8221; &#8212; I have all sorts of offers from the major book publishers and I write Batman.</p>
<p>Economics is all about trade-offs. I traded some control and possible long-term financial renumeration in exchange for immediate monetary compensation and exposure. And less than two years later, I have a full-time career in comics. Plus the clout to get a much better deal out of any future contracts. Not so bad as far as trade-offs go.</p>
<p>So as long as creators go into this deal with eyes wide open, I don&#8217;t see the problem.</p>
<p>I now anxiously await being labeled &#8220;Tokyopop&#8217;s own D.J. Coffman&#8221; &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Abhay</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2008/05/28/tokyopop-hey-dude-totally-bad-contract/#comment-40003</link>
		<dc:creator>Abhay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 15:47:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Uh: Tokyopop didn&#039;t invent arbitration clauses.  Arbitration clauses?  Picking out where the arbitration should happen? Naming JAMS?  It&#039;s cute that this is the first time some of you may have read a contract, but these are not terribly noteworthy terms.  Not that I think that arbitration clause is necessarily an enforceable one (at least in California).  I have serious doubts.  Oh well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Uh: Tokyopop didn&#8217;t invent arbitration clauses.  Arbitration clauses?  Picking out where the arbitration should happen? Naming JAMS?  It&#8217;s cute that this is the first time some of you may have read a contract, but these are not terribly noteworthy terms.  Not that I think that arbitration clause is necessarily an enforceable one (at least in California).  I have serious doubts.  Oh well.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Stillwell</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2008/05/28/tokyopop-hey-dude-totally-bad-contract/#comment-40002</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Stillwell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 14:23:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Opps. This is the correct link. Sorry.

http://www.unscrewedcomic.com/article.php?story=tokyopop</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Opps. This is the correct link. Sorry.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.unscrewedcomic.com/article.php?story=tokyopop" rel="nofollow">http://www.unscrewedcomic.com/article.php?story=tokyopop</a></p>
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		<title>By: Blog@Newsarama &#187; More on that horrible, horrible, horrible Tokyopop contract</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2008/05/28/tokyopop-hey-dude-totally-bad-contract/#comment-40000</link>
		<dc:creator>Blog@Newsarama &#187; More on that horrible, horrible, horrible Tokyopop contract</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 12:44:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Heidi MacDonald: Wow, where to begin. Starting with the disingenuous, smarmy language of this “contract,” we can’t believe that whoever okayed it at Tokyopop wasn’t seriously on meds to allow it to go up. It is a phony, arbitrary and patronizing document that sounds more like something that might come out of the mouth of a pimp trying to coax a runaway into a life at the House of the Rising Sun. For comparison, just go listen to Foulfellow in PINNOCHIO. You know, the Foufellow who called himself “Honest John.” [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Heidi MacDonald: Wow, where to begin. Starting with the disingenuous, smarmy language of this “contract,” we can’t believe that whoever okayed it at Tokyopop wasn’t seriously on meds to allow it to go up. It is a phony, arbitrary and patronizing document that sounds more like something that might come out of the mouth of a pimp trying to coax a runaway into a life at the House of the Rising Sun. For comparison, just go listen to Foulfellow in PINNOCHIO. You know, the Foufellow who called himself “Honest John.” [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Stillwell</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2008/05/28/tokyopop-hey-dude-totally-bad-contract/#comment-39999</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Stillwell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 11:41:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unscrewed&#039;s Jim MacQuarrie gives an in depth review of this contract over at our site. Check it out.

http://www.unscrewedcomic.com/trackback.php?id=tokyopop</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unscrewed&#8217;s Jim MacQuarrie gives an in depth review of this contract over at our site. Check it out.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.unscrewedcomic.com/trackback.php?id=tokyopop" rel="nofollow">http://www.unscrewedcomic.com/trackback.php?id=tokyopop</a></p>
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		<title>By: Tom Spurgeon</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2008/05/28/tokyopop-hey-dude-totally-bad-contract/#comment-39998</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Spurgeon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 11:05:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I should probably clarify that I think my news coverage of manga sucks; the coverage of the material itself by David Welsh is awesome.</description>
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		<title>By: Kevin Huxford</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2008/05/28/tokyopop-hey-dude-totally-bad-contract/#comment-39997</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin Huxford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 04:56:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I did get a sense of Kiel suggesting that there was no point in all the brouhaha being made about this since it wouldn&#039;t make a difference. Not saying it was his intention, but that&#039;s how it came across to me.

He lost me with the stuff about the young girl who would undoubtedly go to school for art with the hopes of working on manga...how, apparently, there&#039;d be no chance of her becoming a more savvy individual in the next decade. Which seemed to be part of his point that all this condemnation would be of no use.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I did get a sense of Kiel suggesting that there was no point in all the brouhaha being made about this since it wouldn&#8217;t make a difference. Not saying it was his intention, but that&#8217;s how it came across to me.</p>
<p>He lost me with the stuff about the young girl who would undoubtedly go to school for art with the hopes of working on manga&#8230;how, apparently, there&#8217;d be no chance of her becoming a more savvy individual in the next decade. Which seemed to be part of his point that all this condemnation would be of no use.</p>
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		<title>By: Kiel Phegley</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2008/05/28/tokyopop-hey-dude-totally-bad-contract/#comment-39996</link>
		<dc:creator>Kiel Phegley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 03:57:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, I&#039;m totally sure that there have been plenty of links to ANN which I&#039;ve past over without notice, and that&#039;s certainly my hang up. Luckily, I now have plenty of time to click through on such stories.

You&#039;re right that the reprint nature of manga makes it tougher for people to write gossipy copy about. At Anime Insider, they rarely covered the OEL books simply because no one buys them. Considering that, it&#039;s almost surprising that Tokyopop is being so aggressive in capturing all the rights to these books. Actually, scratch that. It isn&#039;t surprising at all considering that the &quot;Dragonball&quot; and &quot;Astro Boy&quot; movies set to roll out in the next year may make manga and anime properties the next hot thing for Hollywood to throw money at. It&#039;s sad that the only people taking the longview on the financial potential of these stories are the folks with the least amount of creative input.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, I&#8217;m totally sure that there have been plenty of links to ANN which I&#8217;ve past over without notice, and that&#8217;s certainly my hang up. Luckily, I now have plenty of time to click through on such stories.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re right that the reprint nature of manga makes it tougher for people to write gossipy copy about. At Anime Insider, they rarely covered the OEL books simply because no one buys them. Considering that, it&#8217;s almost surprising that Tokyopop is being so aggressive in capturing all the rights to these books. Actually, scratch that. It isn&#8217;t surprising at all considering that the &#8220;Dragonball&#8221; and &#8220;Astro Boy&#8221; movies set to roll out in the next year may make manga and anime properties the next hot thing for Hollywood to throw money at. It&#8217;s sad that the only people taking the longview on the financial potential of these stories are the folks with the least amount of creative input.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Spurgeon</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2008/05/28/tokyopop-hey-dude-totally-bad-contract/#comment-39995</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Spurgeon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 02:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, at least they&#039;re going with a different kind of smarmy voice in round two.

Kiel, I&#039;m kind of lost with some of what you said, because there are bloggers that run links to ANN every day or every other day, or at least to their manga content (they run a lot of anime content that doesn&#039;t always interest comics sites). I linked to their Hiro Mashima to Comic-Con story, (not exactly a huge news story, I know) at some point this week I&#039;m pretty sure, and I post drunk and clearly hate manga.

One thing about manga, too, is that so much of it is reprinted, which means there isn&#039;t as big a creator class whose friction with editorial drives 60 percent of the meaty comic book industry stories.

I agree that we all might cover manga more effectively. My manga coverage S-U-C-K-S. Although in my opinion, all my coverage sucks. In fact, I&#039;d say there hasn&#039;t been consistently good, rigorous newswriting about any field in comics since the mid- to late- 1990s. By my count, we have exactly one part-time original critical content generator of consistent value: Dave Astor at E&amp;P, whose focus is newspaper strips.

At the same, I think it&#039;s sort of understandable. Comprehensive, critical coverage takes some time to develop; it&#039;s the last thing that develops in a news delivery technology and we&#039;re seeing a 110-years-in-the-waiting paradigm shift there, and it&#039;s also the last thing to develop regarding a field of endeavor, and manga&#039;s still a baby. I think we&#039;ll get some at some point. Most of it will continue to suck, though. And none of it matters if no one cares about the news, which is increasingly the case in comics and, well, everywhere. (People always forget that Image going to Diamond wasn&#039;t just a watershed moment for the comics business, but the coverage of that business as well.)

PS -- for what it&#039;s worth, a lot of people seem to complain that webcomics are covered in poorer fashion than manga...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, at least they&#8217;re going with a different kind of smarmy voice in round two.</p>
<p>Kiel, I&#8217;m kind of lost with some of what you said, because there are bloggers that run links to ANN every day or every other day, or at least to their manga content (they run a lot of anime content that doesn&#8217;t always interest comics sites). I linked to their Hiro Mashima to Comic-Con story, (not exactly a huge news story, I know) at some point this week I&#8217;m pretty sure, and I post drunk and clearly hate manga.</p>
<p>One thing about manga, too, is that so much of it is reprinted, which means there isn&#8217;t as big a creator class whose friction with editorial drives 60 percent of the meaty comic book industry stories.</p>
<p>I agree that we all might cover manga more effectively. My manga coverage S-U-C-K-S. Although in my opinion, all my coverage sucks. In fact, I&#8217;d say there hasn&#8217;t been consistently good, rigorous newswriting about any field in comics since the mid- to late- 1990s. By my count, we have exactly one part-time original critical content generator of consistent value: Dave Astor at E&amp;P, whose focus is newspaper strips.</p>
<p>At the same, I think it&#8217;s sort of understandable. Comprehensive, critical coverage takes some time to develop; it&#8217;s the last thing that develops in a news delivery technology and we&#8217;re seeing a 110-years-in-the-waiting paradigm shift there, and it&#8217;s also the last thing to develop regarding a field of endeavor, and manga&#8217;s still a baby. I think we&#8217;ll get some at some point. Most of it will continue to suck, though. And none of it matters if no one cares about the news, which is increasingly the case in comics and, well, everywhere. (People always forget that Image going to Diamond wasn&#8217;t just a watershed moment for the comics business, but the coverage of that business as well.)</p>
<p>PS &#8212; for what it&#8217;s worth, a lot of people seem to complain that webcomics are covered in poorer fashion than manga&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Becka K</title>
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		<dc:creator>Becka K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 02:36:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What the crap is this?! While the contract itself is horrid, I sat in disbelief after reading the &quot;Moral Rights&quot; section.

&lt;i&gt;&quot;...but we want to do so under the terms in this pact instead of under fancy French idea.&quot; &lt;/i&gt;

Since when were Moral Rights a fancy deal here??? Helloooo - your rights are VITAL (especially when it involves one of your comic creations!)!!!!  And totally dissing the &quot;fancy&quot; French. Bah!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What the crap is this?! While the contract itself is horrid, I sat in disbelief after reading the &#8220;Moral Rights&#8221; section.</p>
<p><i>&#8220;&#8230;but we want to do so under the terms in this pact instead of under fancy French idea.&#8221; </i></p>
<p>Since when were Moral Rights a fancy deal here??? Helloooo &#8211; your rights are VITAL (especially when it involves one of your comic creations!)!!!!  And totally dissing the &#8220;fancy&#8221; French. Bah!</p>
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