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	<title>Comments on: BLACK FREIGHTER will save DVDs</title>
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		<title>By: Bureaucracy: A Microblog</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2008/05/27/black-freighter-will-save-dvds/#comment-39922</link>
		<dc:creator>Bureaucracy: A Microblog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 19:03:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Speaking of the Watchmen movie, a DVD of The Black Freighter, the in-story pirate comic that mirrors Moore&#8217;s main narrative, will be released in time with the film. Hopefully this shows that some artistic rigor is being put into this project, as The Freighter is key to understanding the deepest symbolic levels in the original Watchmen. Either that, or it&#8217;s a clever cash-in. • Nick (07/18/08) [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Speaking of the Watchmen movie, a DVD of The Black Freighter, the in-story pirate comic that mirrors Moore&#8217;s main narrative, will be released in time with the film. Hopefully this shows that some artistic rigor is being put into this project, as The Freighter is key to understanding the deepest symbolic levels in the original Watchmen. Either that, or it&#8217;s a clever cash-in. • Nick (07/18/08) [...]</p>
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		<title>By: ArtLung Blog &#183; Oh, the incredible miscellany of it all; Who I&#8217;m reading these days</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2008/05/27/black-freighter-will-save-dvds/#comment-39921</link>
		<dc:creator>ArtLung Blog &#183; Oh, the incredible miscellany of it all; Who I&#8217;m reading these days</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 15:10:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I continue to look forward to the Watchmen movie. Evidence: here and here. At the very least it looks excellent. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Bill Cunningham</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2008/05/27/black-freighter-will-save-dvds/#comment-39920</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill Cunningham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 15:40:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow - Both Bill Cunningham&#039;s agreeing on something... somewhere a demon got its wings.</description>
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		<title>By: Brian Spence</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2008/05/27/black-freighter-will-save-dvds/#comment-39919</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Spence</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 11:28:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is great.  I heard that they weren&#039;t filming the Black Freighter, and now we get it as an animated flick AND the Under the Hood documentary?  That means we get everything!  Great job WB!

And hey, the Black Freighter stuff is boring?  First I&#039;ve ever heard that comment...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is great.  I heard that they weren&#8217;t filming the Black Freighter, and now we get it as an animated flick AND the Under the Hood documentary?  That means we get everything!  Great job WB!</p>
<p>And hey, the Black Freighter stuff is boring?  First I&#8217;ve ever heard that comment&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Not That Bill Cunningham</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2008/05/27/black-freighter-will-save-dvds/#comment-39918</link>
		<dc:creator>Not That Bill Cunningham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 08:17:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is construction underway in hell, I hear, to build a new circle especially to house whinging internet fanboys. They will be forced to subsist on nothing but Mountain Dew and off-brand Nachos, and will have nothing to entertain them but betamax copies of Ralph Bakshi&#039;s Lord of the Rings and the Star Wars Holiday Special. And all the comics will be from Aircel.

I mean, come ON! Although certainly nobody can tell how this movie is going to be in the story, directing, acting aspect - simply on the basis of photo after photo of utterly faithful and at the same time inspired set and costume design, this is clearly a respectable effort that has more than earned the benefit of the doubt. They&#039;re even using Dave Gibbons&#039; color palettes, and in a non Dick Tracey, believable way! That&#039;s love in those pictures.

For years I&#039;ve been dreading the eventual film to be made from this book, and the series of pictures so far released has completely turned me around. I&#039;m getting dangerously excited about this film, to the point of having to tamp down my expectations in order to not be disappointed.

And now, an animated Black Freighter? Sorry, that&#039;s just awesome. I will happily buy it.

Alan Moore is a great author and I respect his unbudging principled stands, but I&#039;m also really looking forward to this film, which is clearly being handled in a highly respectable way, moreso than anyone could have ever predicted it would be.

There&#039;s milking by hand, and milking by machine. These folks are clearly milking this cow by hand, with care, and bag-balm. mmmm - good milk!

And that&#039;s your uncomfortable metaphor for the evening.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is construction underway in hell, I hear, to build a new circle especially to house whinging internet fanboys. They will be forced to subsist on nothing but Mountain Dew and off-brand Nachos, and will have nothing to entertain them but betamax copies of Ralph Bakshi&#8217;s Lord of the Rings and the Star Wars Holiday Special. And all the comics will be from Aircel.</p>
<p>I mean, come ON! Although certainly nobody can tell how this movie is going to be in the story, directing, acting aspect &#8211; simply on the basis of photo after photo of utterly faithful and at the same time inspired set and costume design, this is clearly a respectable effort that has more than earned the benefit of the doubt. They&#8217;re even using Dave Gibbons&#8217; color palettes, and in a non Dick Tracey, believable way! That&#8217;s love in those pictures.</p>
<p>For years I&#8217;ve been dreading the eventual film to be made from this book, and the series of pictures so far released has completely turned me around. I&#8217;m getting dangerously excited about this film, to the point of having to tamp down my expectations in order to not be disappointed.</p>
<p>And now, an animated Black Freighter? Sorry, that&#8217;s just awesome. I will happily buy it.</p>
<p>Alan Moore is a great author and I respect his unbudging principled stands, but I&#8217;m also really looking forward to this film, which is clearly being handled in a highly respectable way, moreso than anyone could have ever predicted it would be.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s milking by hand, and milking by machine. These folks are clearly milking this cow by hand, with care, and bag-balm. mmmm &#8211; good milk!</p>
<p>And that&#8217;s your uncomfortable metaphor for the evening.</p>
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		<title>By: phil</title>
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		<dc:creator>phil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 01:19:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love how this movie is given no chance whatsoever from some of you people.  Like Mr. Stewart said I think that Snyder is sincere too and I hope that it shows.  If everyone who read the book didn&#039;t see the movie out of some sort of protest, it still wouldn&#039;t make much of a difference anyway.  Sadly this movie is going to be seen by more people who haven&#039;t read the book.  But that&#039;s with most adaptations anyway.

I don&#039;t know it always kinda stuck in my craw that he made a big stink about those Watchmen figures a ways back yet they made a Tom Strong figure.  Also the stink about how they altered V for Vendatta&#039;s themes to make it more timely.  I mean hasn&#039;t he made a career out of using and altering others&#039; creations to meet his own needs.  Do you think that Orczy wanted the Scarlett Pimpernel to be running around a giant uterus before getting spunked on?  I don&#039;t know maybe. But maybe not too!

I love Alan Moore, but I mean come on, I don&#039;t feel the need to take up some cause for him either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love how this movie is given no chance whatsoever from some of you people.  Like Mr. Stewart said I think that Snyder is sincere too and I hope that it shows.  If everyone who read the book didn&#8217;t see the movie out of some sort of protest, it still wouldn&#8217;t make much of a difference anyway.  Sadly this movie is going to be seen by more people who haven&#8217;t read the book.  But that&#8217;s with most adaptations anyway.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know it always kinda stuck in my craw that he made a big stink about those Watchmen figures a ways back yet they made a Tom Strong figure.  Also the stink about how they altered V for Vendatta&#8217;s themes to make it more timely.  I mean hasn&#8217;t he made a career out of using and altering others&#8217; creations to meet his own needs.  Do you think that Orczy wanted the Scarlett Pimpernel to be running around a giant uterus before getting spunked on?  I don&#8217;t know maybe. But maybe not too!</p>
<p>I love Alan Moore, but I mean come on, I don&#8217;t feel the need to take up some cause for him either.</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew Fabb</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2008/05/27/black-freighter-will-save-dvds/#comment-39916</link>
		<dc:creator>Matthew Fabb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 00:27:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t like it when studios double-dip for DVD&#039;s, but if they are going to do it, I rather know up front. Then I can choose what version of the DVD I will like to get ahead of time. Rather than buying a DVD and then finding about the special/ultimate/extended edition that I would have liked to have bought after the fact.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t like it when studios double-dip for DVD&#8217;s, but if they are going to do it, I rather know up front. Then I can choose what version of the DVD I will like to get ahead of time. Rather than buying a DVD and then finding about the special/ultimate/extended edition that I would have liked to have bought after the fact.</p>
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		<title>By: Cameron Stewart</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cameron Stewart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 May 2008 23:14:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Where&#039;s the talk of Watchmen sequels and franchises coming from?  I read the link above and it doesn&#039;t mention a sequel, or franchising.   I read about a film - by the same director - made from a sub-plot in the original book that is too lengthy to include in the feature and so will be released on dvd as a sort of optional bonus for fans, and a narrated slideshow of the &lt;i&gt;comic itself&lt;/i&gt; released for free on the internet.  It&#039;s not Brett Ratner&#039;s Watchmen 2: Rorschach Returns.

I definitely dislike that they&#039;re being so blunt and calculated about selling the same product repeatedly but them&#039;s the breaks.  While I&#039;m far from convinced that Watchmen will make a good film I actually do believe that Snyder is sincere and trying to deliver as faithful a version as he thinks he can.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Where&#8217;s the talk of Watchmen sequels and franchises coming from?  I read the link above and it doesn&#8217;t mention a sequel, or franchising.   I read about a film &#8211; by the same director &#8211; made from a sub-plot in the original book that is too lengthy to include in the feature and so will be released on dvd as a sort of optional bonus for fans, and a narrated slideshow of the <i>comic itself</i> released for free on the internet.  It&#8217;s not Brett Ratner&#8217;s Watchmen 2: Rorschach Returns.</p>
<p>I definitely dislike that they&#8217;re being so blunt and calculated about selling the same product repeatedly but them&#8217;s the breaks.  While I&#8217;m far from convinced that Watchmen will make a good film I actually do believe that Snyder is sincere and trying to deliver as faithful a version as he thinks he can.</p>
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		<title>By: Cary Coatney</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2008/05/27/black-freighter-will-save-dvds/#comment-39914</link>
		<dc:creator>Cary Coatney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 May 2008 22:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If Tales of the Black Freighter is animated in the same flawless impeccable style as the Justice League New Frontier DVD was - then I don&#039;t think anyone is going to have much to complain about.

Warner Bros Animation rules.

~

Coat</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If Tales of the Black Freighter is animated in the same flawless impeccable style as the Justice League New Frontier DVD was &#8211; then I don&#8217;t think anyone is going to have much to complain about.</p>
<p>Warner Bros Animation rules.</p>
<p>~</p>
<p>Coat</p>
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		<title>By: Will Emero II</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2008/05/27/black-freighter-will-save-dvds/#comment-39913</link>
		<dc:creator>Will Emero II</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 May 2008 22:38:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Industry politics and freely agreed to contracts aside, I&#039;m excited to see a live adaptation of &#039;Under The hood.&#039;

Hopefully it&#039;ll be an original film, and not clips of the movie strung together.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Industry politics and freely agreed to contracts aside, I&#8217;m excited to see a live adaptation of &#8216;Under The hood.&#8217;</p>
<p>Hopefully it&#8217;ll be an original film, and not clips of the movie strung together.</p>
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		<title>By: Will Emero II</title>
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		<dc:creator>Will Emero II</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 May 2008 22:37:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Industry politics and freely agreed to contracts aside, I&#039;m excited to see a live adaptation of &#039;Under The Cowl.&#039;

Hopefully it&#039;ll be an original film, and not clips of the movie strung together.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Industry politics and freely agreed to contracts aside, I&#8217;m excited to see a live adaptation of &#8216;Under The Cowl.&#8217;</p>
<p>Hopefully it&#8217;ll be an original film, and not clips of the movie strung together.</p>
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		<title>By: Alan Coil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alan Coil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 May 2008 21:27:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kenny,

Just because someone questions your words doesn&#039;t mean they think you are stupid. Nat Gertler is a publisher, as well as a creator. He knows quite a bit about contracts, copyrights, and trademarks.

As to Moore, he signed a contract with DC over Watchmen that he thought would let the rights revert back to him in a few months or years. It turned out not to be so. I got the impression that he thought someone had made a Gentleman&#039;s agreement with him, then reneged.

The deal with the League of Extraordinary Gentlemen was that the studio flat out lied about Moore&#039;s participation in the movie. They said Moore had read the script and approved. Not so. Moore subsequently feels that the movie business is full of untrustworthy people, and he wants nothing further to do with them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kenny,</p>
<p>Just because someone questions your words doesn&#8217;t mean they think you are stupid. Nat Gertler is a publisher, as well as a creator. He knows quite a bit about contracts, copyrights, and trademarks.</p>
<p>As to Moore, he signed a contract with DC over Watchmen that he thought would let the rights revert back to him in a few months or years. It turned out not to be so. I got the impression that he thought someone had made a Gentleman&#8217;s agreement with him, then reneged.</p>
<p>The deal with the League of Extraordinary Gentlemen was that the studio flat out lied about Moore&#8217;s participation in the movie. They said Moore had read the script and approved. Not so. Moore subsequently feels that the movie business is full of untrustworthy people, and he wants nothing further to do with them.</p>
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		<title>By: spike</title>
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		<dc:creator>spike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 May 2008 20:45:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The thought of a Watchmen sequel frightens me, as it has to be one of the most un-sequelable stories in comics.  But it is Hollywood we&#039;re talking about.

That said, it&#039;s unlikely an R-rated (is it really R?) superhero movie will generate the kinds of numbers to provide incentive to make a sequel, especially given the production costs.  I get the feeling all the offshoot DVDs are a way to recoup costs and in effect franchise the movie while it&#039;s still in theaters, because there&#039;s no way in God&#039;s Holy Hell there&#039;ll ever be a Watchmen 2...but it is Hollywood we&#039;re talking about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The thought of a Watchmen sequel frightens me, as it has to be one of the most un-sequelable stories in comics.  But it is Hollywood we&#8217;re talking about.</p>
<p>That said, it&#8217;s unlikely an R-rated (is it really R?) superhero movie will generate the kinds of numbers to provide incentive to make a sequel, especially given the production costs.  I get the feeling all the offshoot DVDs are a way to recoup costs and in effect franchise the movie while it&#8217;s still in theaters, because there&#8217;s no way in God&#8217;s Holy Hell there&#8217;ll ever be a Watchmen 2&#8230;but it is Hollywood we&#8217;re talking about.</p>
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		<title>By: RJTressel</title>
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		<dc:creator>RJTressel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 May 2008 20:42:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you&#039;re getting into a real slippery area when you start taking the author&#039;s intentions into consideration (e.g. the arguments about King and Koontz vs Moore). I say a writer of an original work should have all the same rights, regardless of whether the author intended to write a &quot;masterpiece&quot; or a &quot;beach read.&quot; Because I bet, more often than you&#039;d expect the author of a &quot;masterpiece&quot; had simply set to write a good old &quot;yarn&quot;, and that someone writing their &quot;magnum opus&quot; churned out a clunky potboiler.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you&#8217;re getting into a real slippery area when you start taking the author&#8217;s intentions into consideration (e.g. the arguments about King and Koontz vs Moore). I say a writer of an original work should have all the same rights, regardless of whether the author intended to write a &#8220;masterpiece&#8221; or a &#8220;beach read.&#8221; Because I bet, more often than you&#8217;d expect the author of a &#8220;masterpiece&#8221; had simply set to write a good old &#8220;yarn&#8221;, and that someone writing their &#8220;magnum opus&#8221; churned out a clunky potboiler.</p>
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		<title>By: Nat Gertler</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2008/05/27/black-freighter-will-save-dvds/#comment-39908</link>
		<dc:creator>Nat Gertler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 May 2008 20:34:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kenny, if you make questionable statements, it really doesn&#039;t behoove the rest of us to simply assume you know what you&#039;re talking about.

Not assuming that what you interpreted from the deal on LXG is the deal on Watchmen - that&#039;s not a way to &quot;play stupid&quot;. Rather, it reflects that not all movie rights deals are the same, just as not all prose deals are the same (as you admitted in your backpedaling.) And I&#039;m someone who has written or co-written about a couple dozen books for other publishers (in addition to being a publisher myself), and who has signed away and optioned movie and TV rights. For example: does Gibbons make additional money if the Watchmen movie is successful enough that the studio backs a sequel theatrical release? I know that under contracts I&#039;ve had, I would&#039;ve. I know that other folks who have made their comics creations made into movies have made additional money off of the sequels.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kenny, if you make questionable statements, it really doesn&#8217;t behoove the rest of us to simply assume you know what you&#8217;re talking about.</p>
<p>Not assuming that what you interpreted from the deal on LXG is the deal on Watchmen &#8211; that&#8217;s not a way to &#8220;play stupid&#8221;. Rather, it reflects that not all movie rights deals are the same, just as not all prose deals are the same (as you admitted in your backpedaling.) And I&#8217;m someone who has written or co-written about a couple dozen books for other publishers (in addition to being a publisher myself), and who has signed away and optioned movie and TV rights. For example: does Gibbons make additional money if the Watchmen movie is successful enough that the studio backs a sequel theatrical release? I know that under contracts I&#8217;ve had, I would&#8217;ve. I know that other folks who have made their comics creations made into movies have made additional money off of the sequels.</p>
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