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	<title>Comments on: Indy IV review</title>
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		<title>By: Hyon Danson</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2008/05/22/indy-iv-review/#comment-50635</link>
		<dc:creator>Hyon Danson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jul 2010 17:18:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think your blog post was probably a great start to a potential series of articles about this topic. So many writers act like they comprehend what they&#039;re talking about when it comes to this topic and most of the time, very few people actually get it. You seem to know about it however, so I think you should run with it. Thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think your blog post was probably a great start to a potential series of articles about this topic. So many writers act like they comprehend what they&#8217;re talking about when it comes to this topic and most of the time, very few people actually get it. You seem to know about it however, so I think you should run with it. Thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: jimmy palmiotti</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2008/05/22/indy-iv-review/#comment-39711</link>
		<dc:creator>jimmy palmiotti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 May 2008 04:52:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>enjoyed the indy film...amanda and i went tonight at the zigfield to a packed house and had a blast. agree the third act wasnt the greatest, but it entertained all the way through and was fun.
fun is what i was looking for. it&#039;s what i got.

JIMMY</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>enjoyed the indy film&#8230;amanda and i went tonight at the zigfield to a packed house and had a blast. agree the third act wasnt the greatest, but it entertained all the way through and was fun.<br />
fun is what i was looking for. it&#8217;s what i got.</p>
<p>JIMMY</p>
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		<title>By: Christopher Moonlight @ Moo and Mer Magazine</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2008/05/22/indy-iv-review/#comment-39710</link>
		<dc:creator>Christopher Moonlight @ Moo and Mer Magazine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 May 2008 05:15:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;on the other hand, it seems many times he needed someone to tell him no&quot;

Don&#039;t we all sometimes? I&#039;m enjoying this. A blog debate where no one is angry. What a great idea.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;on the other hand, it seems many times he needed someone to tell him no&#8221;</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t we all sometimes? I&#8217;m enjoying this. A blog debate where no one is angry. What a great idea.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Williams</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2008/05/22/indy-iv-review/#comment-39709</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe Williams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 May 2008 01:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To that last point Christopher, I would add that, as much as I don&#039;t care much for Lucas&#039; films, perhaps he realized that to make the movies he wanted to make he would need LOTS of money- especially to do them HIS way and not have to meet the ridiculous dictates of some studio exec (on the other hand, it seems many times he needed someone to tell him no).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To that last point Christopher, I would add that, as much as I don&#8217;t care much for Lucas&#8217; films, perhaps he realized that to make the movies he wanted to make he would need LOTS of money- especially to do them HIS way and not have to meet the ridiculous dictates of some studio exec (on the other hand, it seems many times he needed someone to tell him no).</p>
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		<title>By: Christopher Moonlight @ Moo and Mer Magazine</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2008/05/22/indy-iv-review/#comment-39708</link>
		<dc:creator>Christopher Moonlight @ Moo and Mer Magazine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 19:14:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;that Lucas would even bother with it, instead of just saying “we decided to do prequels instead of sequels.” And that some Lucas fans so slavishly lap it up …&quot;

I remember Lucas saying that when I was a kid on my bike. That&#039;s why he started with episode IV. I also remember (as a kid) Lucas saying that he wanted to wait on doing them because FX weren&#039;t able to do the things he had in mind yet. He&#039;s crazy, but I still believe that he&#039;s an artist. Just because he likes to make money, it doesn&#039;t mean he&#039;s in it just for the money.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;that Lucas would even bother with it, instead of just saying “we decided to do prequels instead of sequels.” And that some Lucas fans so slavishly lap it up …&#8221;</p>
<p>I remember Lucas saying that when I was a kid on my bike. That&#8217;s why he started with episode IV. I also remember (as a kid) Lucas saying that he wanted to wait on doing them because FX weren&#8217;t able to do the things he had in mind yet. He&#8217;s crazy, but I still believe that he&#8217;s an artist. Just because he likes to make money, it doesn&#8217;t mean he&#8217;s in it just for the money.</p>
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		<title>By: rich</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2008/05/22/indy-iv-review/#comment-39707</link>
		<dc:creator>rich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 18:32:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;But how deliberately Lucas planned the stories in advance is irrelevant. &quot;

I suppose you&#039;re correct ... but I think the spin doctoring gets me steamed ... that Lucas would even bother with it, instead of just saying &quot;we decided to do prequels instead of sequels.&quot;  And that some Lucas fans so slavishly lap it up ... Ultimately, though, I suppose the movies stand or fall on their own, and everyone is gonna have their favorites.

Although, I am glad to hear that RAIDERS has the Indiana Jones jag added only to the packaging.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;But how deliberately Lucas planned the stories in advance is irrelevant. &#8221;</p>
<p>I suppose you&#8217;re correct &#8230; but I think the spin doctoring gets me steamed &#8230; that Lucas would even bother with it, instead of just saying &#8220;we decided to do prequels instead of sequels.&#8221;  And that some Lucas fans so slavishly lap it up &#8230; Ultimately, though, I suppose the movies stand or fall on their own, and everyone is gonna have their favorites.</p>
<p>Although, I am glad to hear that RAIDERS has the Indiana Jones jag added only to the packaging.</p>
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		<title>By: Christopher Moonlight @ Moo and Mer Magazine</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2008/05/22/indy-iv-review/#comment-39706</link>
		<dc:creator>Christopher Moonlight @ Moo and Mer Magazine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 18:07:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;weak scripts and too many special effects meant to distract you from the weak script.&quot;

Can you be more specific about what makes them week?

&quot;Each of them have their moments, certainly, but Jar-jar is so annoying I can’t watch Phantom Menace again.&quot;

I don&#039;t mind him, but I can see how others wouldn&#039;t like the voice they used for him. Other then that, he&#039;s no more or less annoying then any other person or alien in that film.

&quot;And in Revenge of the Sith, Anniken goes dark awfully fast, even to quickly moving on the butchering children.&quot;

But that was not the first time he had butchered children. He said he killed all the women and children of the sand people (who he also killed) in episode II. Anniken had gone to the dark side long before anyone, even himself, had realized it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;weak scripts and too many special effects meant to distract you from the weak script.&#8221;</p>
<p>Can you be more specific about what makes them week?</p>
<p>&#8220;Each of them have their moments, certainly, but Jar-jar is so annoying I can’t watch Phantom Menace again.&#8221;</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t mind him, but I can see how others wouldn&#8217;t like the voice they used for him. Other then that, he&#8217;s no more or less annoying then any other person or alien in that film.</p>
<p>&#8220;And in Revenge of the Sith, Anniken goes dark awfully fast, even to quickly moving on the butchering children.&#8221;</p>
<p>But that was not the first time he had butchered children. He said he killed all the women and children of the sand people (who he also killed) in episode II. Anniken had gone to the dark side long before anyone, even himself, had realized it.</p>
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		<title>By: John Green</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2008/05/22/indy-iv-review/#comment-39705</link>
		<dc:creator>John Green</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 17:13:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They also removed the support rod the boulder was on, which you can see (along with the snake reflection) on the VHS version.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They also removed the support rod the boulder was on, which you can see (along with the snake reflection) on the VHS version.</p>
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		<title>By: James Van Hise</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2008/05/22/indy-iv-review/#comment-39704</link>
		<dc:creator>James Van Hise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 16:18:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I enjoyed Crystal Skull, certainly more than I ever liked Temple of Doom (I always felt sorry for Kate Capshow and the thankless role she had to play of a screaming meemie) and the so-called spoiler had been out there for months ever since the Crystal Skull had been revealed at a merchandising show.

Regarding the Star Wars films, I really disliked Return of the Jedi and the prequels aren&#039;t any better than that, weak scripts and too many special effects meant to distract you from the weak script. Each of them have their moments, certainly, but Jar-jar is so annoying I can&#039;t watch Phantom Menace again. And in Revenge of the Sith, Anniken goes dark awfully fast, even to quickly moving on the butchering children.

Raiders is still the best of the 4. I noticed that it was on a Spanish language channel recently so I watched the open and there&#039;s so little dialogue in those first few minutes that nothing is lost even watching it in another language.

Raiders has been digitally cleaned up, though, as I still remember when it was originally released you could see the cobra&#039;s relection in the pane of glass separating it from Harrison Ford, but that reflection has been digitally removed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I enjoyed Crystal Skull, certainly more than I ever liked Temple of Doom (I always felt sorry for Kate Capshow and the thankless role she had to play of a screaming meemie) and the so-called spoiler had been out there for months ever since the Crystal Skull had been revealed at a merchandising show.</p>
<p>Regarding the Star Wars films, I really disliked Return of the Jedi and the prequels aren&#8217;t any better than that, weak scripts and too many special effects meant to distract you from the weak script. Each of them have their moments, certainly, but Jar-jar is so annoying I can&#8217;t watch Phantom Menace again. And in Revenge of the Sith, Anniken goes dark awfully fast, even to quickly moving on the butchering children.</p>
<p>Raiders is still the best of the 4. I noticed that it was on a Spanish language channel recently so I watched the open and there&#8217;s so little dialogue in those first few minutes that nothing is lost even watching it in another language.</p>
<p>Raiders has been digitally cleaned up, though, as I still remember when it was originally released you could see the cobra&#8217;s relection in the pane of glass separating it from Harrison Ford, but that reflection has been digitally removed.</p>
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		<title>By: John Green</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Green</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 16:05:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And the title isn&#039;t added within the film itself, just the packaging.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And the title isn&#8217;t added within the film itself, just the packaging.</p>
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		<title>By: Steely Dan</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2008/05/22/indy-iv-review/#comment-39702</link>
		<dc:creator>Steely Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 16:00:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m as skeptical as anyone when it comes to the spin put out by Lucas and his staff regarding the Star Wars franchise. I agree with Rich for instance regarding his Jabba the Hutt example (I never bought the &quot;technology didn&#039;t exist&quot; argument that he cites). But how deliberately Lucas planned the stories in advance is irrelevant. No matter what his motivation was for going back and doing the prequels (and I&#039;m not ascribing motivation one way or another), the fact is, he told the end of the story first and then, 15-20 years later he went back and told the beginning. I personally find that impressive, especially considering that he clearly wasn&#039;t the same man that he was when he created the original trilogy (during the production of the first trilogy he was fighting against the establishment; during production of the prequel trilogy he had become the establishment). That the stories meet up in the middle as well as they do (not perfectly, mind you) is pretty remarkable and worth commending.

In the end, the only thing that matters is whether or not the story holds up as one coherent whole. And as flawed as the story may be, I think that it does hold up quite well.

As far as adding &quot;Indiana Jones and the&quot; to the &quot;Raiders&quot; title, I don&#039;t think there&#039;s any argument that that was for commercial purposes. It simply makes it easier for retailers and others to catalog the series together.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m as skeptical as anyone when it comes to the spin put out by Lucas and his staff regarding the Star Wars franchise. I agree with Rich for instance regarding his Jabba the Hutt example (I never bought the &#8220;technology didn&#8217;t exist&#8221; argument that he cites). But how deliberately Lucas planned the stories in advance is irrelevant. No matter what his motivation was for going back and doing the prequels (and I&#8217;m not ascribing motivation one way or another), the fact is, he told the end of the story first and then, 15-20 years later he went back and told the beginning. I personally find that impressive, especially considering that he clearly wasn&#8217;t the same man that he was when he created the original trilogy (during the production of the first trilogy he was fighting against the establishment; during production of the prequel trilogy he had become the establishment). That the stories meet up in the middle as well as they do (not perfectly, mind you) is pretty remarkable and worth commending.</p>
<p>In the end, the only thing that matters is whether or not the story holds up as one coherent whole. And as flawed as the story may be, I think that it does hold up quite well.</p>
<p>As far as adding &#8220;Indiana Jones and the&#8221; to the &#8220;Raiders&#8221; title, I don&#8217;t think there&#8217;s any argument that that was for commercial purposes. It simply makes it easier for retailers and others to catalog the series together.</p>
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		<title>By: rich</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2008/05/22/indy-iv-review/#comment-39701</link>
		<dc:creator>rich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 14:22:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I also think Lucas deserves credit for the audacity of his experiment: telling such a long, complex story over the course of thirty years, and essentially telling it in reverse.&quot;

Well, he deserves credit for creating a lucrative franchise.  I don&#039;t think audacity had anything to do with.  He created a series, did three movies, and then wondered, &quot;Where do I go from here?&quot; *SNAP of fingers* &quot;I got it! Let&#039;s do three prequels!!&quot;

Lucas claims that he decided to begin the series with part four and then go backwards — that&#039;s just something designed to sound creative instead of commercial.  RAIDERS OF THE LOST ARK, for instance, only recently had the obligatory &quot;Indiana Jones and the ___&quot; added to the title.  And Jabba the hut was originally a human, thus the costume worn by the actor in the deleted scene — but Lucas claims the &quot;technology&quot; wasn&#039;t ready for that character, who later became a blob-like beast.  A little spin-doctoring of his company&#039;s history goes a long way, since the fans eat it up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I also think Lucas deserves credit for the audacity of his experiment: telling such a long, complex story over the course of thirty years, and essentially telling it in reverse.&#8221;</p>
<p>Well, he deserves credit for creating a lucrative franchise.  I don&#8217;t think audacity had anything to do with.  He created a series, did three movies, and then wondered, &#8220;Where do I go from here?&#8221; *SNAP of fingers* &#8220;I got it! Let&#8217;s do three prequels!!&#8221;</p>
<p>Lucas claims that he decided to begin the series with part four and then go backwards — that&#8217;s just something designed to sound creative instead of commercial.  RAIDERS OF THE LOST ARK, for instance, only recently had the obligatory &#8220;Indiana Jones and the ___&#8221; added to the title.  And Jabba the hut was originally a human, thus the costume worn by the actor in the deleted scene — but Lucas claims the &#8220;technology&#8221; wasn&#8217;t ready for that character, who later became a blob-like beast.  A little spin-doctoring of his company&#8217;s history goes a long way, since the fans eat it up.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Williams</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe Williams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 11:43:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By the way, Heidi- when I was just now loading the page, the spoiler appeared clearly before the rest of the page loaded. Some people may freak out on you about that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By the way, Heidi- when I was just now loading the page, the spoiler appeared clearly before the rest of the page loaded. Some people may freak out on you about that.</p>
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		<title>By: Christopher Moonlight @ Moo and Mer Magazine</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2008/05/22/indy-iv-review/#comment-39699</link>
		<dc:creator>Christopher Moonlight @ Moo and Mer Magazine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 05:24:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, I change my mind about movies, comics, and books all the time. All that is needed is a good case to be made. I made fun of Episode I when it first came out, because I didn&#039;t like the fist three. Then it grew on me, and I talked it over with friends. Now, I watch them (or put them on for background noise as I work) all the time. All that is needed is to keep an open mind. Just not so open that my brain falls out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, I change my mind about movies, comics, and books all the time. All that is needed is a good case to be made. I made fun of Episode I when it first came out, because I didn&#8217;t like the fist three. Then it grew on me, and I talked it over with friends. Now, I watch them (or put them on for background noise as I work) all the time. All that is needed is to keep an open mind. Just not so open that my brain falls out.</p>
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		<title>By: John Green</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2008/05/22/indy-iv-review/#comment-39698</link>
		<dc:creator>John Green</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 04:33:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If what someone likes most about the prequels are the things about it that are different than the original films, and the things another person dislikes most about the prequelse are the things that are different from the originals, then neither will be able to compel the other into changing their mind over which is better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If what someone likes most about the prequels are the things about it that are different than the original films, and the things another person dislikes most about the prequelse are the things that are different from the originals, then neither will be able to compel the other into changing their mind over which is better.</p>
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