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	<title>Comments on: GREEN LANTERN sells for $600k</title>
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		<title>By: Torsten Adair</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2008/05/15/green-lantern-sells-for-600k/#comment-51974</link>
		<dc:creator>Torsten Adair</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jul 2010 13:41:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Imagine how much it would have sold for if he had gotten the ring right, and included the black cut-outs!  

The curse of the fanboys?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Imagine how much it would have sold for if he had gotten the ring right, and included the black cut-outs!  </p>
<p>The curse of the fanboys?</p>
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		<title>By: Fineartegallery</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2008/05/15/green-lantern-sells-for-600k/#comment-51973</link>
		<dc:creator>Fineartegallery</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jul 2010 13:22:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Comparing Gil Kane to Mel Ramos is unfair to both artists. Mel Ramos made an impact with his pin-ups widely commercialised - now his other subjects fetch huge sums but it would not be so without the famous and very often glamour gilrs he painted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Comparing Gil Kane to Mel Ramos is unfair to both artists. Mel Ramos made an impact with his pin-ups widely commercialised &#8211; now his other subjects fetch huge sums but it would not be so without the famous and very often glamour gilrs he painted.</p>
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		<title>By: createmo</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2008/05/15/green-lantern-sells-for-600k/#comment-39252</link>
		<dc:creator>createmo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Nov 2008 03:44:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for your site :)
I made on photoshop backgrounds for myspace or youtube and ect..
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take care and thank you again!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for your site :)<br />
I made on photoshop backgrounds for myspace or youtube and ect..<br />
my backgrounds:http://tinyurl.com/5ajonc<br />
take care and thank you again!</p>
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		<title>By: Mel Ramos</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2008/05/15/green-lantern-sells-for-600k/#comment-39251</link>
		<dc:creator>Mel Ramos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 04:45:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Even we have the same name we are not related, I do like and admire Mel&#039;s art from a long time. Truly this is not the best paint and the ring mistake is a fact. As for the $600k, go Mel, keep doing money, you deserve it from all your career hard work.
As for the buyer, not the best investment man!, what would be your resale when you decide to sell it?.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even we have the same name we are not related, I do like and admire Mel&#8217;s art from a long time. Truly this is not the best paint and the ring mistake is a fact. As for the $600k, go Mel, keep doing money, you deserve it from all your career hard work.<br />
As for the buyer, not the best investment man!, what would be your resale when you decide to sell it?.</p>
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		<title>By: JM Ringuet</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2008/05/15/green-lantern-sells-for-600k/#comment-39250</link>
		<dc:creator>JM Ringuet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 06:03:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let&#039;s remember that the price range of &#039;fine art&#039; is based on investment value. Nobody at this level is buying fine art because it&#039;s well painted, or because it looks nice, but only as an investment. The problem with comic artists is that we are not seen as fine artists (at least by the galleries and professional art critics who are creating the market), so not a chance for us to sell anything at that level.
It&#039;s like two worlds that have nothing in common, except the fact that one is marginally feeding from the other.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s remember that the price range of &#8216;fine art&#8217; is based on investment value. Nobody at this level is buying fine art because it&#8217;s well painted, or because it looks nice, but only as an investment. The problem with comic artists is that we are not seen as fine artists (at least by the galleries and professional art critics who are creating the market), so not a chance for us to sell anything at that level.<br />
It&#8217;s like two worlds that have nothing in common, except the fact that one is marginally feeding from the other.</p>
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		<title>By: Rich Johnston</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2008/05/15/green-lantern-sells-for-600k/#comment-39249</link>
		<dc:creator>Rich Johnston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 12:41:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If the original piece was WFH, then surely Gil wouldn&#039;t be owed a cent anyway...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the original piece was WFH, then surely Gil wouldn&#8217;t be owed a cent anyway&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2008/05/15/green-lantern-sells-for-600k/#comment-39248</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 01:30:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, Ramos sure did paint a lot of busty, naked ladies on cigars:

http://www.melramos.com/

But he also did a neat Spectre. And an AMAZING PLUMP Wonder Woman.

The thing about pop art is that it is conceptual art, really, and to judge in terms of drawn or painted artwork is like judging a painting in terms of, say, film - it&#039;s two different things. Whether you like it or not. Conceptual art is not about whether the drawn image is original - and I would point out that by that qualification, collage art must not be an allowable form either.

The reason Ramos gets that much money and Gil Kane doesn&#039;t is obvious - it has to do with the audience they play to. If Gil Kane wanted to show his comics in a gallery and frame them in such a way that there was loads of subtext for the gallery visitors to read into it, he could&#039;ve done this too. You can&#039;t get down on opportunists for recognizing opportunity.

Anyhow, I like some pop art and abstract expression, but Ramos doesn&#039;t impress me much. Of the work I went and looked at, I only liked his comic book derivations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, Ramos sure did paint a lot of busty, naked ladies on cigars:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.melramos.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.melramos.com/</a></p>
<p>But he also did a neat Spectre. And an AMAZING PLUMP Wonder Woman.</p>
<p>The thing about pop art is that it is conceptual art, really, and to judge in terms of drawn or painted artwork is like judging a painting in terms of, say, film &#8211; it&#8217;s two different things. Whether you like it or not. Conceptual art is not about whether the drawn image is original &#8211; and I would point out that by that qualification, collage art must not be an allowable form either.</p>
<p>The reason Ramos gets that much money and Gil Kane doesn&#8217;t is obvious &#8211; it has to do with the audience they play to. If Gil Kane wanted to show his comics in a gallery and frame them in such a way that there was loads of subtext for the gallery visitors to read into it, he could&#8217;ve done this too. You can&#8217;t get down on opportunists for recognizing opportunity.</p>
<p>Anyhow, I like some pop art and abstract expression, but Ramos doesn&#8217;t impress me much. Of the work I went and looked at, I only liked his comic book derivations.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Taylor</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2008/05/15/green-lantern-sells-for-600k/#comment-39247</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Taylor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 21:42:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Artist makes money.
It&#039;s a good thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Artist makes money.<br />
It&#8217;s a good thing.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Taylor</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2008/05/15/green-lantern-sells-for-600k/#comment-39246</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Taylor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 21:40:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This from Wikipedia on Ramos:
Though primarily a figurative painter, Mel Ramos (Born July 24, 1935) has experimented freely with realist and abstract art forms for the past twenty years. A few of his works embody both formats. This combination works to enhance the detail and feature of each format while detracting from the duality of the image making it wholly singular. Born in Sacramento, California in 1935 he has enjoyed great success and critical acclaim as an adventuresome artist with the creativity and sense of humor it takes to remain on top.
Ramos is one of the artists in the Pop Art movement. Mel Ramos received his first important recognition in the early 1960s; since 1959 he has participated in more than 120 group shows. Along with other artists such as Andy Warhol, Roy Lichtenstein, Claes Oldenburg and James Rosenquist, Ramos produced art works that celebrated aspects of popular culture as represented in mass media. His paintings were shown along with theirs in major exhibitions of Pop Art both in this country and in Europe and were reproduced, often with irony, in books, catalogs, and periodicals throughout the world.
Classification of Ramos within a school of art is disputed. Some critical observers of the &quot;art scene&quot; classify Mel Ramos as a Pop Artist. However, others believe identification of Ramos&#039; work within the Pop movement of the 1960s implies a satirical or parodic bent which does not reflect the broader context of his paintings, and instead defend his &quot;parodies&quot; as respectful, affectionate tributes, a celebration of images with personal meaning.
Ramos has been represented by Louis K. Meisel Gallery since 1971.

From the prestigious Tate Gallery,...somewhere in Britain:
&quot;Appropriation
As a term in art history and criticism refers to the more or less direct taking over into a work of art of a real object or even an existing work of art. The practice can be tracked back to the Cubist collages and constructions of Picasso and Georges Braque made from 1912 on, in which real objects such as newspapers were included to represent themselves. Appropriation was developed much further in the readymades created by the French artist Marcel Duchamp from 1915. Most notorious of these was Fountain, a men&#039;s urinal signed, titled, and presented on a pedestal. Later, Surrealism also made extensive use of appropriation in collages and objects such as Salvador Dali&#039;s Lobster Telephone. In the late 1950s appropriated images and objects appear extensively in the work of Jasper Johns and Robert Rauschenberg, and in Pop art. However, the term seems to have come into use specifically in relation to certain American artists in the 1980s, notably Sherrie Levine and the artists of the Neo-Geo group particularly Jeff Koons. Sherrie Levine reproduced as her own work other works of art, including paintings by Claude Monet and Kasimir Malevich. Her aim was to create a new situation, and therefore a new meaning or set of meanings, for a familiar image. Appropriation art raises questions of originality, authenticity and authorship, and belongs to the long modernist tradition of art that questions the nature or definition of art itself. Appropriation artists were influenced by the 1934 essay by the German philosopher Walter Benjamin, The Work of Art in the Age of Mechanical Reproduction, and received contemporary support from the American critic Rosalind Strauss in her 1985 book The Originality of the Avant-Garde and Other Modernist Myths. Appropriation has been used extensively by artists since the 1980s.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This from Wikipedia on Ramos:<br />
Though primarily a figurative painter, Mel Ramos (Born July 24, 1935) has experimented freely with realist and abstract art forms for the past twenty years. A few of his works embody both formats. This combination works to enhance the detail and feature of each format while detracting from the duality of the image making it wholly singular. Born in Sacramento, California in 1935 he has enjoyed great success and critical acclaim as an adventuresome artist with the creativity and sense of humor it takes to remain on top.<br />
Ramos is one of the artists in the Pop Art movement. Mel Ramos received his first important recognition in the early 1960s; since 1959 he has participated in more than 120 group shows. Along with other artists such as Andy Warhol, Roy Lichtenstein, Claes Oldenburg and James Rosenquist, Ramos produced art works that celebrated aspects of popular culture as represented in mass media. His paintings were shown along with theirs in major exhibitions of Pop Art both in this country and in Europe and were reproduced, often with irony, in books, catalogs, and periodicals throughout the world.<br />
Classification of Ramos within a school of art is disputed. Some critical observers of the &#8220;art scene&#8221; classify Mel Ramos as a Pop Artist. However, others believe identification of Ramos&#8217; work within the Pop movement of the 1960s implies a satirical or parodic bent which does not reflect the broader context of his paintings, and instead defend his &#8220;parodies&#8221; as respectful, affectionate tributes, a celebration of images with personal meaning.<br />
Ramos has been represented by Louis K. Meisel Gallery since 1971.</p>
<p>From the prestigious Tate Gallery,&#8230;somewhere in Britain:<br />
&#8220;Appropriation<br />
As a term in art history and criticism refers to the more or less direct taking over into a work of art of a real object or even an existing work of art. The practice can be tracked back to the Cubist collages and constructions of Picasso and Georges Braque made from 1912 on, in which real objects such as newspapers were included to represent themselves. Appropriation was developed much further in the readymades created by the French artist Marcel Duchamp from 1915. Most notorious of these was Fountain, a men&#8217;s urinal signed, titled, and presented on a pedestal. Later, Surrealism also made extensive use of appropriation in collages and objects such as Salvador Dali&#8217;s Lobster Telephone. In the late 1950s appropriated images and objects appear extensively in the work of Jasper Johns and Robert Rauschenberg, and in Pop art. However, the term seems to have come into use specifically in relation to certain American artists in the 1980s, notably Sherrie Levine and the artists of the Neo-Geo group particularly Jeff Koons. Sherrie Levine reproduced as her own work other works of art, including paintings by Claude Monet and Kasimir Malevich. Her aim was to create a new situation, and therefore a new meaning or set of meanings, for a familiar image. Appropriation art raises questions of originality, authenticity and authorship, and belongs to the long modernist tradition of art that questions the nature or definition of art itself. Appropriation artists were influenced by the 1934 essay by the German philosopher Walter Benjamin, The Work of Art in the Age of Mechanical Reproduction, and received contemporary support from the American critic Rosalind Strauss in her 1985 book The Originality of the Avant-Garde and Other Modernist Myths. Appropriation has been used extensively by artists since the 1980s.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Alan Coil</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2008/05/15/green-lantern-sells-for-600k/#comment-39245</link>
		<dc:creator>Alan Coil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 19:12:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The minor change of having the ring on the wrong finger would not allow one to claim fair use on this painting. It is the Hal Jordan Green Lantern.

If we are to praise this as a work of masterpiece, then should we not also be praising Greg Land?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The minor change of having the ring on the wrong finger would not allow one to claim fair use on this painting. It is the Hal Jordan Green Lantern.</p>
<p>If we are to praise this as a work of masterpiece, then should we not also be praising Greg Land?</p>
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		<title>By: Allen</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2008/05/15/green-lantern-sells-for-600k/#comment-39244</link>
		<dc:creator>Allen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 17:35:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Matt Feazell could draw a better stick figure Green Lantern.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matt Feazell could draw a better stick figure Green Lantern.</p>
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		<title>By: Christopher Moonlight</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2008/05/15/green-lantern-sells-for-600k/#comment-39243</link>
		<dc:creator>Christopher Moonlight</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 16:34:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maija, those are some good points to make. Thank you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maija, those are some good points to make. Thank you.</p>
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		<title>By: Wilson Ramos jr</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2008/05/15/green-lantern-sells-for-600k/#comment-39242</link>
		<dc:creator>Wilson Ramos jr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 16:20:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, This Ramos is impressed. (No relation as far as I know.)  I&#039;ll have a drawing of Green Lantern at this year Wizard World Philly, for sale so who know? HEHEHEHE.


Wilson Ramos Jr.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, This Ramos is impressed. (No relation as far as I know.)  I&#8217;ll have a drawing of Green Lantern at this year Wizard World Philly, for sale so who know? HEHEHEHE.</p>
<p>Wilson Ramos Jr.</p>
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		<title>By: maija</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2008/05/15/green-lantern-sells-for-600k/#comment-39241</link>
		<dc:creator>maija</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 16:14:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I should say *just* because it&#039;s a picture of the Green Lantern. The buyer is, I assume, also interested in the piece for its content. But Ramos didn&#039;t just paint a picture of the Green Lantern, nor did he just make a mistake with the ring.

I&#039;m not saying it&#039;s a valid justification for the price or the lifting of the imagery, but it&#039;s not as simply stupid as it might appear.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I should say *just* because it&#8217;s a picture of the Green Lantern. The buyer is, I assume, also interested in the piece for its content. But Ramos didn&#8217;t just paint a picture of the Green Lantern, nor did he just make a mistake with the ring.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not saying it&#8217;s a valid justification for the price or the lifting of the imagery, but it&#8217;s not as simply stupid as it might appear.</p>
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		<title>By: maija</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2008/05/15/green-lantern-sells-for-600k/#comment-39240</link>
		<dc:creator>maija</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 16:05:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pop art as a movement questioned High and Low art, mass culture, originality and copyright. Naturally that triggered a lot of discussion (and some legal action), which became a social phenomena, which led to it being embedded in history, which is what this buyer wants a piece of. He&#039;s not buying it because it&#039;s a picture of the Green Lantern.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pop art as a movement questioned High and Low art, mass culture, originality and copyright. Naturally that triggered a lot of discussion (and some legal action), which became a social phenomena, which led to it being embedded in history, which is what this buyer wants a piece of. He&#8217;s not buying it because it&#8217;s a picture of the Green Lantern.</p>
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