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	<title>Comments on: So much for asking for a review copy&#8230;</title>
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		<title>By: Kramers Ergot 7 &#124; Savage Critics</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2008/05/13/so-much-for-asking-for-a-review-copy/#comment-39125</link>
		<dc:creator>Kramers Ergot 7 &#124; Savage Critics</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 06:29:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] where the dog ate the teenagers. Surprisingly, alt comix anthology Kramers Ergot 7 was arguably the most controversial comic of them all. The issue was not the content (though much of it would scandalize those who were [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] where the dog ate the teenagers. Surprisingly, alt comix anthology Kramers Ergot 7 was arguably the most controversial comic of them all. The issue was not the content (though much of it would scandalize those who were [...]</p>
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		<title>By: gregor</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2008/05/13/so-much-for-asking-for-a-review-copy/#comment-39124</link>
		<dc:creator>gregor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 15:20:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i haven&#039;t actually seen any books in this series, but is this stuff considered &quot;underground&quot; or &quot;alternative&quot; comics? if yes, after reading the article here and the comments, I still don&#039;t get why someone would put out such an expensive limited edition book. what is wrong with putting out some 15 buck magazine edition for the rest of us starving artists? man, gone are the days of the $2.50 edition of Weirdo, eh?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i haven&#8217;t actually seen any books in this series, but is this stuff considered &#8220;underground&#8221; or &#8220;alternative&#8221; comics? if yes, after reading the article here and the comments, I still don&#8217;t get why someone would put out such an expensive limited edition book. what is wrong with putting out some 15 buck magazine edition for the rest of us starving artists? man, gone are the days of the $2.50 edition of Weirdo, eh?</p>
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		<title>By: sofia</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2008/05/13/so-much-for-asking-for-a-review-copy/#comment-39123</link>
		<dc:creator>sofia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 21:39:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The comics industry has never made much money. The people who run these companies are in it because they love comics, and they know how much they usually sell for. I have no problem inflating the comics industry&#039;s economy.

I mean Craig Thompson only got paid $300 for Blankets by Top Shelf.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The comics industry has never made much money. The people who run these companies are in it because they love comics, and they know how much they usually sell for. I have no problem inflating the comics industry&#8217;s economy.</p>
<p>I mean Craig Thompson only got paid $300 for Blankets by Top Shelf.</p>
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		<title>By: Dylan Horrocks</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2008/05/13/so-much-for-asking-for-a-review-copy/#comment-39122</link>
		<dc:creator>Dylan Horrocks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Nov 2008 08:23:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I realise I&#039;m chiming in a little late on this (and no-one&#039;s likely to read it), but:

My solution is simple. I can&#039;t afford it, but I will ask our local public library to buy it. Luckily, they have an excellent graphic novels section (which includes earlier Kramers Ergots), and I will pitch this as an important addition to their long-term collection of fabulous books. With a bit of luck, they&#039;ll buy it, and then not only will I be able to read it, but also everyone else in Auckland, New Zealand.

Wish me luck! (and maybe suggest the same to your own library)

P.S. If the public library don&#039;t buy it, I&#039;ll try the University Library and the Auckland City Art Gallery library. Neither would be as good, but at least there&#039;ll be a copy somewhere in Auckland for people to access.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I realise I&#8217;m chiming in a little late on this (and no-one&#8217;s likely to read it), but:</p>
<p>My solution is simple. I can&#8217;t afford it, but I will ask our local public library to buy it. Luckily, they have an excellent graphic novels section (which includes earlier Kramers Ergots), and I will pitch this as an important addition to their long-term collection of fabulous books. With a bit of luck, they&#8217;ll buy it, and then not only will I be able to read it, but also everyone else in Auckland, New Zealand.</p>
<p>Wish me luck! (and maybe suggest the same to your own library)</p>
<p>P.S. If the public library don&#8217;t buy it, I&#8217;ll try the University Library and the Auckland City Art Gallery library. Neither would be as good, but at least there&#8217;ll be a copy somewhere in Auckland for people to access.</p>
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		<title>By: Stupid Publisher Tricks: Excessive Pricing &#187; Comics Worth Reading</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2008/05/13/so-much-for-asking-for-a-review-copy/#comment-39121</link>
		<dc:creator>Stupid Publisher Tricks: Excessive Pricing &#187; Comics Worth Reading</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 11:58:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Discussions on the matter also took place at Heidi&#8217;s blog. Tom Spurgeon appears to be waving the flag for letting creators do what they want and making fun of those who disagree. Some make the case that if you think of it as a limited edition art object (and what will the print run be, anyway?), $125 is entirely reasonable as a price point. Perhaps. If so, I hope they can successfully reach that art-museum-and-gallery audience.  Similar Posts: Stupid Publisher Tricks Collected &#167; Alternate Pricing &#167; Kodansha to Open U.S. Subsidiary; Manga Pricing to Change? &#167; More on Minimum Pricing &#167; Manga Pricing by Sex [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Discussions on the matter also took place at Heidi&#8217;s blog. Tom Spurgeon appears to be waving the flag for letting creators do what they want and making fun of those who disagree. Some make the case that if you think of it as a limited edition art object (and what will the print run be, anyway?), $125 is entirely reasonable as a price point. Perhaps. If so, I hope they can successfully reach that art-museum-and-gallery audience.  Similar Posts: Stupid Publisher Tricks Collected &sect; Alternate Pricing &sect; Kodansha to Open U.S. Subsidiary; Manga Pricing to Change? &sect; More on Minimum Pricing &sect; Manga Pricing by Sex [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Stupid Publisher Tricks: Excessive Pricing &#187; Comics Worth Reading</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2008/05/13/so-much-for-asking-for-a-review-copy/#comment-39120</link>
		<dc:creator>Stupid Publisher Tricks: Excessive Pricing &#187; Comics Worth Reading</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 11:57:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Discussions on the matter also took place at Heidi&#8217;s blog. Tom Spurgeon appears to be waving the flag for letting creators do what they want and making fun of those who disagree. Some make the case that if you think of it as a limited edition art object (and what will the print run be, anyway?), $125 is entirely reasonable as a price point. Perhaps. If so, I hope they can successfully reach that art-museum-and-gallery audience.  Similar Posts: Stupid Publisher Tricks Collected &#167; Alternate Pricing &#167; Kodansha to Open U.S. Subsidiary; Manga Pricing to Change? &#167; More on Minimum Pricing &#167; Manga Pricing by Sex [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Discussions on the matter also took place at Heidi&#8217;s blog. Tom Spurgeon appears to be waving the flag for letting creators do what they want and making fun of those who disagree. Some make the case that if you think of it as a limited edition art object (and what will the print run be, anyway?), $125 is entirely reasonable as a price point. Perhaps. If so, I hope they can successfully reach that art-museum-and-gallery audience.  Similar Posts: Stupid Publisher Tricks Collected &sect; Alternate Pricing &sect; Kodansha to Open U.S. Subsidiary; Manga Pricing to Change? &sect; More on Minimum Pricing &sect; Manga Pricing by Sex [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Blog@Newsarama &#187; Everyone&#8217;s A Critic: Thoughts on the upcoming Kramers Ergot collection</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2008/05/13/so-much-for-asking-for-a-review-copy/#comment-39119</link>
		<dc:creator>Blog@Newsarama &#187; Everyone&#8217;s A Critic: Thoughts on the upcoming Kramers Ergot collection</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 May 2008 02:16:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Last week, Heidi MacDonald caught the news on the Comics Journal message board that the latest volume of the widely acclaimed, Sammy Harkham-edited art comix-anthology known as Kramers Ergot will be priced at a staggering $125 (or about $78 if you order it on Amazon). [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Last week, Heidi MacDonald caught the news on the Comics Journal message board that the latest volume of the widely acclaimed, Sammy Harkham-edited art comix-anthology known as Kramers Ergot will be priced at a staggering $125 (or about $78 if you order it on Amazon). [...]</p>
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		<title>By: t edward bak</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2008/05/13/so-much-for-asking-for-a-review-copy/#comment-39118</link>
		<dc:creator>t edward bak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 01:27:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Art ought to be accessible to everyone, but comics are not art anymore than rollerskating is.  Any baboon with a blank piece of paper and a pen can make comics.   There is no justifying any of this.  All of you are so wrong.  Sammy is wrong, too.  But the book looks swell!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Art ought to be accessible to everyone, but comics are not art anymore than rollerskating is.  Any baboon with a blank piece of paper and a pen can make comics.   There is no justifying any of this.  All of you are so wrong.  Sammy is wrong, too.  But the book looks swell!</p>
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		<title>By: snoid</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2008/05/13/so-much-for-asking-for-a-review-copy/#comment-39117</link>
		<dc:creator>snoid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 18:37:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tom, don&#039;t hate the game hate the players.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom, don&#8217;t hate the game hate the players.</p>
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		<title>By: Ian Harker</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2008/05/13/so-much-for-asking-for-a-review-copy/#comment-39116</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian Harker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 14:39:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why so squirmy Tom?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why so squirmy Tom?</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Spurgeon</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2008/05/13/so-much-for-asking-for-a-review-copy/#comment-39115</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Spurgeon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 02:15:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This thread makes me hate all comics, cheap and expensive.</description>
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		<title>By: Bill Cunningham</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2008/05/13/so-much-for-asking-for-a-review-copy/#comment-39114</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill Cunningham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 21:14:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>*sigh* Maija - I&#039;m not speaking for you, and I&#039;m not speaking for anyone else. I am speaking for me, which is why I&#039;ve said &quot;to me&quot; and &quot;In my opinion&quot; (IMO) several times throughout my posts.

These are my comments. My opinions. My philosophies. Backed by fact.

Re: Free - it will be free...and it will pay handsomely.

http://www.wired.com/techbiz/it/magazine/16-03/ff_free

You seem to think that by creating several differently formatted books that it somehow diminishes the work itself. I would argue otherwise. I also don&#039;t see a problem with a publisher and creator getting paid from as many avenues as possible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>*sigh* Maija &#8211; I&#8217;m not speaking for you, and I&#8217;m not speaking for anyone else. I am speaking for me, which is why I&#8217;ve said &#8220;to me&#8221; and &#8220;In my opinion&#8221; (IMO) several times throughout my posts.</p>
<p>These are my comments. My opinions. My philosophies. Backed by fact.</p>
<p>Re: Free &#8211; it will be free&#8230;and it will pay handsomely.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.wired.com/techbiz/it/magazine/16-03/ff_free" rel="nofollow">http://www.wired.com/techbiz/it/magazine/16-03/ff_free</a></p>
<p>You seem to think that by creating several differently formatted books that it somehow diminishes the work itself. I would argue otherwise. I also don&#8217;t see a problem with a publisher and creator getting paid from as many avenues as possible.</p>
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		<title>By: maija</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2008/05/13/so-much-for-asking-for-a-review-copy/#comment-39113</link>
		<dc:creator>maija</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 20:31:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>*sigh* Bill, you&#039;re not understanding me. I feel like I&#039;m speaking a foreign language, or trying to explain dry land to the fish who only knows water. You don&#039;t speak for &quot;us&quot;. You don&#039;t know that Harkham&#039;s book will be a failure. It&#039;s not your project so you can&#039;t impose your personal goals on it.

Literary works are reissued in a thousand different formats and optioned for films and lunch-boxes and masters&#039; paintings are recreated as posters and prints and t-shirts and tote-bags and lightswitch plates and mugs for the same reason other things are mass-produced: BECAUSE THOSE SELLING THEM WANT PEOPLE TO GIVE THEM MONEY.

If it was just about accessibility and getting as many people to see the work as possible it would all be FREE.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>*sigh* Bill, you&#8217;re not understanding me. I feel like I&#8217;m speaking a foreign language, or trying to explain dry land to the fish who only knows water. You don&#8217;t speak for &#8220;us&#8221;. You don&#8217;t know that Harkham&#8217;s book will be a failure. It&#8217;s not your project so you can&#8217;t impose your personal goals on it.</p>
<p>Literary works are reissued in a thousand different formats and optioned for films and lunch-boxes and masters&#8217; paintings are recreated as posters and prints and t-shirts and tote-bags and lightswitch plates and mugs for the same reason other things are mass-produced: BECAUSE THOSE SELLING THEM WANT PEOPLE TO GIVE THEM MONEY.</p>
<p>If it was just about accessibility and getting as many people to see the work as possible it would all be FREE.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Cunningham</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2008/05/13/so-much-for-asking-for-a-review-copy/#comment-39112</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill Cunningham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 20:16:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maija said: &quot;You can’t see past your own paradigm. You admit you’re a screenwriter who believes his work can only have an “impact” if it’s box office boffo. You must appreciate that others might not measure “impact” in the same way that you do.&quot;

Actually, no. My work has been seen on DVD,  The Scifi Channel and been sold to territories around the world.  It&#039;s never been in a theater. I believe it&#039;s also available for download.

I would also point out Ipod and Iphone sales as disproving your argument that we don&#039;t want our culture to be portable and accessible.  YOU may not, but there are more of us than there are of you.  The figures don&#039;t lie.

I have no problem with Sammy producing a $125 book. I voiced the opinion and made the argument that it does &quot;comics&quot; (both as a media and an industry) little good as it limits the audience.  The project, IMO, is one borne out of an approach of &quot;exclusivity and collect-ability&quot; and as the comics market shrinks and shrinks, it runs counter to a healthy, diverse market where a wider range of genres exist and flourish.

IMO: Accessibility and diversity are what&#039;s required.

Literary masterpieces are mass-produced all the time in a variety of formats - hardcover, softcover, trade, illustrated, graphic novel versions. Posters and Prints of famous masterpieces of art are sold all the time. Mostly by museums. Why?

BECAUSE THEY WANT PEOPLE TO SEE THE WORK.

Is this book going to get a purchaser into a comic store to try other material? Will Comics retailers order this book, or instead order multiple copies of other comics that come at price points that  are easier to take a risk on?

The comments in this and the other thread suggest limited sales, even lost sales...and that, to me, equals failure.

There should be a $125 book, but there should also be a $50 book or even a $25 version or an online download.  Something that people can take a risk on, read and then expand their repertoire by picking up other works by the authors.  It&#039;s not an &quot;all or nothing&quot; situation here, despite how KE has set this up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maija said: &#8220;You can’t see past your own paradigm. You admit you’re a screenwriter who believes his work can only have an “impact” if it’s box office boffo. You must appreciate that others might not measure “impact” in the same way that you do.&#8221;</p>
<p>Actually, no. My work has been seen on DVD,  The Scifi Channel and been sold to territories around the world.  It&#8217;s never been in a theater. I believe it&#8217;s also available for download.</p>
<p>I would also point out Ipod and Iphone sales as disproving your argument that we don&#8217;t want our culture to be portable and accessible.  YOU may not, but there are more of us than there are of you.  The figures don&#8217;t lie.</p>
<p>I have no problem with Sammy producing a $125 book. I voiced the opinion and made the argument that it does &#8220;comics&#8221; (both as a media and an industry) little good as it limits the audience.  The project, IMO, is one borne out of an approach of &#8220;exclusivity and collect-ability&#8221; and as the comics market shrinks and shrinks, it runs counter to a healthy, diverse market where a wider range of genres exist and flourish.</p>
<p>IMO: Accessibility and diversity are what&#8217;s required.</p>
<p>Literary masterpieces are mass-produced all the time in a variety of formats &#8211; hardcover, softcover, trade, illustrated, graphic novel versions. Posters and Prints of famous masterpieces of art are sold all the time. Mostly by museums. Why?</p>
<p>BECAUSE THEY WANT PEOPLE TO SEE THE WORK.</p>
<p>Is this book going to get a purchaser into a comic store to try other material? Will Comics retailers order this book, or instead order multiple copies of other comics that come at price points that  are easier to take a risk on?</p>
<p>The comments in this and the other thread suggest limited sales, even lost sales&#8230;and that, to me, equals failure.</p>
<p>There should be a $125 book, but there should also be a $50 book or even a $25 version or an online download.  Something that people can take a risk on, read and then expand their repertoire by picking up other works by the authors.  It&#8217;s not an &#8220;all or nothing&#8221; situation here, despite how KE has set this up.</p>
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		<title>By: maija</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2008/05/13/so-much-for-asking-for-a-review-copy/#comment-39111</link>
		<dc:creator>maija</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 19:39:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I should have said &quot;$80 is not *that* big a barrier&quot;. With free super-saver shipping!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I should have said &#8220;$80 is not *that* big a barrier&#8221;. With free super-saver shipping!</p>
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