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	<title>Comments on: BRAVE AND THE BOLD will not die!</title>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2008/04/10/eye-on-comics-%c2%bb-blog-archive-%c2%bb-team-prayers/#comment-37395</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Jan 2009 17:03:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just an outside take here... I am a 40 something comics fan. I came to the hobby pretty late in life, not really taking it up until my mid 30&#039;s. I was introduced to the medium through the DCAU, and I still consider those series the gold standard. However, that being said, I think people tend to give the newer takes on the characters short shrift. When The Batmen began, I didn&#039;t care for it. But I continued to watch it, and over time, I grew to appreciate it. I think in it&#039;s final seasons, it really hit it&#039;s stride. Teen Titans, whose anime style animation was quite off putting to an old curmudgeon like me, really grew on me, and I came to greatly appreciate the series. And now Brave and Bold hits the air, and the more I watch it, the more I like it. I watch it with my seven year old son, and strangely, I seem to get more enjoyment out of it than he does. It&#039;s because I get the references to esoteric Silver Age characters and plot lines that go completely over my son&#039;s head. I&#039;ll find myself chuckling at some comment or situation, and my son will turn to me and ask what I am laughing at. The show may be aimed at children primarily, but those references are in there purposely, and they aren&#039;t aimed at kids (who would be entirely unlikely to understand them). They are aimed squarely at old schooler&#039;s like me.

There is plenty of room for all kinds of takes on the characters. This new show isn&#039;t BTAS, but that doesn&#039;t mean it isn&#039;t any good.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just an outside take here&#8230; I am a 40 something comics fan. I came to the hobby pretty late in life, not really taking it up until my mid 30&#8217;s. I was introduced to the medium through the DCAU, and I still consider those series the gold standard. However, that being said, I think people tend to give the newer takes on the characters short shrift. When The Batmen began, I didn&#8217;t care for it. But I continued to watch it, and over time, I grew to appreciate it. I think in it&#8217;s final seasons, it really hit it&#8217;s stride. Teen Titans, whose anime style animation was quite off putting to an old curmudgeon like me, really grew on me, and I came to greatly appreciate the series. And now Brave and Bold hits the air, and the more I watch it, the more I like it. I watch it with my seven year old son, and strangely, I seem to get more enjoyment out of it than he does. It&#8217;s because I get the references to esoteric Silver Age characters and plot lines that go completely over my son&#8217;s head. I&#8217;ll find myself chuckling at some comment or situation, and my son will turn to me and ask what I am laughing at. The show may be aimed at children primarily, but those references are in there purposely, and they aren&#8217;t aimed at kids (who would be entirely unlikely to understand them). They are aimed squarely at old schooler&#8217;s like me.</p>
<p>There is plenty of room for all kinds of takes on the characters. This new show isn&#8217;t BTAS, but that doesn&#8217;t mean it isn&#8217;t any good.</p>
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		<title>By: Xenos</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2008/04/10/eye-on-comics-%c2%bb-blog-archive-%c2%bb-team-prayers/#comment-37394</link>
		<dc:creator>Xenos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Apr 2008 08:22:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well I did post my blog link. Where&#039;s yours? Why should I reply to someone who doesn&#039;t post their website link? See, I can be randomly pretentious too.

Plus how do you know that Xenos isn&#039;t my real name or at least part of it? Or even a pen name I&#039;m trying to build?  Or perhaps I&#039;m trying to avoid having my true written down in a shinegami&#039;s Death Note? (Heh. Just watched a certain episode.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well I did post my blog link. Where&#8217;s yours? Why should I reply to someone who doesn&#8217;t post their website link? See, I can be randomly pretentious too.</p>
<p>Plus how do you know that Xenos isn&#8217;t my real name or at least part of it? Or even a pen name I&#8217;m trying to build?  Or perhaps I&#8217;m trying to avoid having my true written down in a shinegami&#8217;s Death Note? (Heh. Just watched a certain episode.)</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Neely</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2008/04/10/eye-on-comics-%c2%bb-blog-archive-%c2%bb-team-prayers/#comment-37393</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott Neely</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Apr 2008 21:14:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would respond in full but why bother to waste my time with someone who doesn&#039;t use his real name and uses an alias. Xenos...please. At least Joe Walker has balls.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would respond in full but why bother to waste my time with someone who doesn&#8217;t use his real name and uses an alias. Xenos&#8230;please. At least Joe Walker has balls.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Neely</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2008/04/10/eye-on-comics-%c2%bb-blog-archive-%c2%bb-team-prayers/#comment-37392</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott Neely</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Apr 2008 21:13:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would respond in full but why bother to waste my time with someone who doesn&#039;t use his real name and uses an alias. Xenos...please.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would respond in full but why bother to waste my time with someone who doesn&#8217;t use his real name and uses an alias. Xenos&#8230;please.</p>
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		<title>By: Xenos</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2008/04/10/eye-on-comics-%c2%bb-blog-archive-%c2%bb-team-prayers/#comment-37391</link>
		<dc:creator>Xenos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Apr 2008 04:57:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, if you can stop laughing for a second, could you explain yourself?  How did we &quot;miss the point completely&quot;?  Manley labels people against his show&#039;s designs as &#039;babymen&#039;.  If anything, he&#039;s the one aiming for being immature and not growing up.

I even said that I acknowledge that the show is for kids, but it&#039;s a terrible thing to give to children. The design appears to be the typical sugar coated cartoon style that some people think are good for kids.  Again, to use the cereal comparisons, that sugary stuff the marketing department is shoving at our kids today isn&#039;t healthy for them.

I also bring up the argument that DC can&#039;t keep its properties straight. In the past few years they had three competing and separate Batman related cartoons. Now they&#039;re doing this unrelated one.

No. I must be a whiny baby. You should likely stick your fingers in your ears, ignore me, and call me a babyman. It seems some think that&#039;s the mature thing to do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, if you can stop laughing for a second, could you explain yourself?  How did we &#8220;miss the point completely&#8221;?  Manley labels people against his show&#8217;s designs as &#8216;babymen&#8217;.  If anything, he&#8217;s the one aiming for being immature and not growing up.</p>
<p>I even said that I acknowledge that the show is for kids, but it&#8217;s a terrible thing to give to children. The design appears to be the typical sugar coated cartoon style that some people think are good for kids.  Again, to use the cereal comparisons, that sugary stuff the marketing department is shoving at our kids today isn&#8217;t healthy for them.</p>
<p>I also bring up the argument that DC can&#8217;t keep its properties straight. In the past few years they had three competing and separate Batman related cartoons. Now they&#8217;re doing this unrelated one.</p>
<p>No. I must be a whiny baby. You should likely stick your fingers in your ears, ignore me, and call me a babyman. It seems some think that&#8217;s the mature thing to do.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Neely</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2008/04/10/eye-on-comics-%c2%bb-blog-archive-%c2%bb-team-prayers/#comment-37390</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott Neely</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Apr 2008 02:04:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s a shame Joe S. Walker and Xenos miss the point completely...Though Xenos&#039; rant made me laugh. Thanks for that!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s a shame Joe S. Walker and Xenos miss the point completely&#8230;Though Xenos&#8217; rant made me laugh. Thanks for that!</p>
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		<title>By: Xenos</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2008/04/10/eye-on-comics-%c2%bb-blog-archive-%c2%bb-team-prayers/#comment-37389</link>
		<dc:creator>Xenos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 23:53:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also... Let me point out that I love Sprang&#039;s artwork. I love the old Adam West show too. Yet it doesn&#039;t belong in a cartoon today. That time has passed. If I want that stuff, I&#039;d go watch it. (Or I would if they had DVDs of the show and not just the movie.)  This stuff has no business in a modern Batman and DCU cartoon.  There are dozens and dozens of good modern artists to emulate, why go back to the 1950s?

It&#039;s really too bad too. Seeing newcomer Jamie as the Blue Beetle meeting current versions of the characters would have been a brilliant show. Instead he&#039;s somehow running into folks from the Silver Age and beyond.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also&#8230; Let me point out that I love Sprang&#8217;s artwork. I love the old Adam West show too. Yet it doesn&#8217;t belong in a cartoon today. That time has passed. If I want that stuff, I&#8217;d go watch it. (Or I would if they had DVDs of the show and not just the movie.)  This stuff has no business in a modern Batman and DCU cartoon.  There are dozens and dozens of good modern artists to emulate, why go back to the 1950s?</p>
<p>It&#8217;s really too bad too. Seeing newcomer Jamie as the Blue Beetle meeting current versions of the characters would have been a brilliant show. Instead he&#8217;s somehow running into folks from the Silver Age and beyond.</p>
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		<title>By: Xenos</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2008/04/10/eye-on-comics-%c2%bb-blog-archive-%c2%bb-team-prayers/#comment-37388</link>
		<dc:creator>Xenos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 23:45:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot; Let’s face it, these cartoons are for children, young children 5-10,12 years old. Cereal eating, fruit rollup snacking, toy buying kids, not 30-something, 40-something bitter bee babymen who want these characters in adult situations.&quot;

Well I&#039;m in my 20s and I think this cartoon design is trash. There  is nothing wrong with giving kids mature and sometimes dark character. Certainly with Batman, that&#039;s how he is. let&#039;s not revert back to the 60s Sprang designs.  Batman Begins and the Batman comics use the modern version, what makes this cartoon feel the need to be different?

Plus those cereal and rollups are loaded with high fructose corn syrup. Our kids are getting fat and getting diabetes from the crap we&#039;re feeding them.  This cartoon is no different. A unhealthy sugary mess.

No, pal. You&#039;re the baby man. I think kids deserve a mature cartoon that they can watch along with their parents. You want to talk down to them and feed them sugar coated cereal.

Meanwhile, kids are reading comics and watching cartoons. Japanese ones. They maintain a constant look throughout their runs. They don&#039;t have five cartoon versions of Batman in five years. They have one consistent version of Naruto or Bleach. They don&#039;t have three competing versions of the same characters. We had a fight between JLU, The Batman, and Teen Titans. Now this. This is yet another failure from DC / AOL Time Warner at maintaining their characters.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8221; Let’s face it, these cartoons are for children, young children 5-10,12 years old. Cereal eating, fruit rollup snacking, toy buying kids, not 30-something, 40-something bitter bee babymen who want these characters in adult situations.&#8221;</p>
<p>Well I&#8217;m in my 20s and I think this cartoon design is trash. There  is nothing wrong with giving kids mature and sometimes dark character. Certainly with Batman, that&#8217;s how he is. let&#8217;s not revert back to the 60s Sprang designs.  Batman Begins and the Batman comics use the modern version, what makes this cartoon feel the need to be different?</p>
<p>Plus those cereal and rollups are loaded with high fructose corn syrup. Our kids are getting fat and getting diabetes from the crap we&#8217;re feeding them.  This cartoon is no different. A unhealthy sugary mess.</p>
<p>No, pal. You&#8217;re the baby man. I think kids deserve a mature cartoon that they can watch along with their parents. You want to talk down to them and feed them sugar coated cereal.</p>
<p>Meanwhile, kids are reading comics and watching cartoons. Japanese ones. They maintain a constant look throughout their runs. They don&#8217;t have five cartoon versions of Batman in five years. They have one consistent version of Naruto or Bleach. They don&#8217;t have three competing versions of the same characters. We had a fight between JLU, The Batman, and Teen Titans. Now this. This is yet another failure from DC / AOL Time Warner at maintaining their characters.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe S. Walker</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2008/04/10/eye-on-comics-%c2%bb-blog-archive-%c2%bb-team-prayers/#comment-37387</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe S. Walker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 17:30:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike Manley&#039;s stuff amounts to &quot;I don&#039;t need you people so I&#039;m gonna make myself really offensive.&quot; One might question how mature THAT is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike Manley&#8217;s stuff amounts to &#8220;I don&#8217;t need you people so I&#8217;m gonna make myself really offensive.&#8221; One might question how mature THAT is.</p>
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		<title>By: gene phillips</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2008/04/10/eye-on-comics-%c2%bb-blog-archive-%c2%bb-team-prayers/#comment-37386</link>
		<dc:creator>gene phillips</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 12:47:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Exactly how is a &quot;babyman&quot; distinct from a &quot;fanboy?&quot;

Sounds like neologism claim-jumping to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Exactly how is a &#8220;babyman&#8221; distinct from a &#8220;fanboy?&#8221;</p>
<p>Sounds like neologism claim-jumping to me.</p>
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		<title>By: Ian</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2008/04/10/eye-on-comics-%c2%bb-blog-archive-%c2%bb-team-prayers/#comment-37384</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 12:30:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree about the coloring.  I was interested in the book but the coloring kept me from reading it in the store let alone buy it.</description>
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		<title>By: Ian</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2008/04/10/eye-on-comics-%c2%bb-blog-archive-%c2%bb-team-prayers/#comment-37385</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 12:29:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree about the coloring.  I was interested in the book but the coloring kept me from reading it in the store let alone buy it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree about the coloring.  I was interested in the book but the coloring kept me from reading it in the store let alone buy it.</p>
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		<title>By: Fanboy Menace</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2008/04/10/eye-on-comics-%c2%bb-blog-archive-%c2%bb-team-prayers/#comment-37383</link>
		<dc:creator>Fanboy Menace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 10:11:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That sounds like the Skrull Matt Hawes to me.</description>
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		<title>By: AERose</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2008/04/10/eye-on-comics-%c2%bb-blog-archive-%c2%bb-team-prayers/#comment-37382</link>
		<dc:creator>AERose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 22:07:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, that&#039;s another socko, right? I mean, right?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, that&#8217;s another socko, right? I mean, right?</p>
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		<title>By: rob</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2008/04/10/eye-on-comics-%c2%bb-blog-archive-%c2%bb-team-prayers/#comment-37380</link>
		<dc:creator>rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 18:33:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I also avoid any and all crossovers and crossover related books like the plague, so yes, I am “tiring from endless events and crossovers.” But I’m also not pining for a “traditional approach” — whenever I hear a creator say that, it reminds me of the Silver Age, which seems to exhibit a similar pull to some comics readers that the mythical 1950s does for others, but holds no interest to me.&quot;

This has been my biggest complaint about DC for the past several years.  They seem to be marching boldly backwards, to a time and a set of characters that were at their peak before I was born.  Say what you will about the grim &#039;n&#039; gritty style, at least things were changing in the books.  It seems to me like the DC universe is striving to make it back to status quo with all the reverence and fervor of a bad sitcom in its last 7 minutes, except the creators feel that &quot;status quo&quot; means &quot;pre-crisis.&quot;  As soon as multiple earths were rediscovered and all of Elseworlds (which were the comics I had grown up on) had to be shown to be Real True Places so that they could have their own inane inter-dimensional crossovers, I knew my days of reading DC were waning.  When Hal Jordan came back, I threw up my arms and gave up.  Between dodging the nostalgia for a time I don&#039;t care about — and wasn&#039;t even there for the first time around — and avoiding the masturbatory megacrossovers obsessed with esoteric continuity details, I&#039;ve pretty much abandoned DC these days.  Which makes me sad, because I actually like superheroes.

Even worse, &quot;One More Day&quot; suggests that Marvel may be following suit.

Dear editors,

If your audience is in their twenties, they probably are not as interested in the characters you read about 30 years ago.  If they like old comics, as I do, then they&#039;ve already read them, as I have.  If they don&#039;t like old comics, they&#039;ll be even less interested.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I also avoid any and all crossovers and crossover related books like the plague, so yes, I am “tiring from endless events and crossovers.” But I’m also not pining for a “traditional approach” — whenever I hear a creator say that, it reminds me of the Silver Age, which seems to exhibit a similar pull to some comics readers that the mythical 1950s does for others, but holds no interest to me.&#8221;</p>
<p>This has been my biggest complaint about DC for the past several years.  They seem to be marching boldly backwards, to a time and a set of characters that were at their peak before I was born.  Say what you will about the grim &#8216;n&#8217; gritty style, at least things were changing in the books.  It seems to me like the DC universe is striving to make it back to status quo with all the reverence and fervor of a bad sitcom in its last 7 minutes, except the creators feel that &#8220;status quo&#8221; means &#8220;pre-crisis.&#8221;  As soon as multiple earths were rediscovered and all of Elseworlds (which were the comics I had grown up on) had to be shown to be Real True Places so that they could have their own inane inter-dimensional crossovers, I knew my days of reading DC were waning.  When Hal Jordan came back, I threw up my arms and gave up.  Between dodging the nostalgia for a time I don&#8217;t care about — and wasn&#8217;t even there for the first time around — and avoiding the masturbatory megacrossovers obsessed with esoteric continuity details, I&#8217;ve pretty much abandoned DC these days.  Which makes me sad, because I actually like superheroes.</p>
<p>Even worse, &#8220;One More Day&#8221; suggests that Marvel may be following suit.</p>
<p>Dear editors,</p>
<p>If your audience is in their twenties, they probably are not as interested in the characters you read about 30 years ago.  If they like old comics, as I do, then they&#8217;ve already read them, as I have.  If they don&#8217;t like old comics, they&#8217;ll be even less interested.</p>
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