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		<title>By: Cassarino</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2008/01/11/oh-dear-2/#comment-67698</link>
		<dc:creator>Cassarino</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Feb 2011 20:46:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: agung</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2008/01/11/oh-dear-2/#comment-55057</link>
		<dc:creator>agung</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Sep 2010 08:38:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like this very much. she&#039;s hot.</description>
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		<title>By: Witherite</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2008/01/11/oh-dear-2/#comment-30679</link>
		<dc:creator>Witherite</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 09:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Insightful. Bookmarked.</description>
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		<title>By: Supremato</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2008/01/11/oh-dear-2/#comment-30678</link>
		<dc:creator>Supremato</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Oct 2008 09:51:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: I Love Hugh Hefner &#171; Musings of A Manwhore</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2008/01/11/oh-dear-2/#comment-30677</link>
		<dc:creator>I Love Hugh Hefner &#171; Musings of A Manwhore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jan 2008 16:41:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] 21, 2008 &#183; No Comments  I learned to read and developed my current love of literature from comic books. As a kid I readthem fanatically and I spent all of my money on buying them. One of the comics I loved was wonder woman. Before I discovered my dads porn stash, the wonder woman comics and re-runs of the tv show with Lynda Carter (I should send her money for all the times I whacked off the image of her spinning around with nothing on but those red boots) were the closest I got to porn. Imagine my joy when I saw this months playboy while in Barnes and Noble browsing. It&#8217;s the little things in life that make me happy. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] 21, 2008 &middot; No Comments  I learned to read and developed my current love of literature from comic books. As a kid I readthem fanatically and I spent all of my money on buying them. One of the comics I loved was wonder woman. Before I discovered my dads porn stash, the wonder woman comics and re-runs of the tv show with Lynda Carter (I should send her money for all the times I whacked off the image of her spinning around with nothing on but those red boots) were the closest I got to porn. Imagine my joy when I saw this months playboy while in Barnes and Noble browsing. It&#8217;s the little things in life that make me happy. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Darren J Hudak</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2008/01/11/oh-dear-2/#comment-30676</link>
		<dc:creator>Darren J Hudak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2008 02:03:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have three things to say:

1) Playboy has done this sort of thing before, in the 70-80&#039;s there was a comics themed pictorial with &quot;undressed&quot; interpretations of Batgirl, Sheena, The Dragon Lady and Lois Lane.  I can&#039;t tell you what the Batgirl picture did for my teenage brain.  Recently they had a pictorial called directors fantasies, where known film directors directed a picture shoot, Kevin Smith did a Lois Lane themed picture, with Superman standing behind her fondling her breast.  There have also been pictures over the years of parties at Hef&#039;s with models dressed (or undressed) up as Wonder Woman, Catwoman and Mystique from the X-Men, (I know this because I read the magazine for the articles, scouts honor), I don&#039;t remember any controversy over any of these pictures, in fact except for a conversation on the old CompuServe forum, (back in the day), I don&#039;t remember the comics community ever acknowledging them.



2) I think Tiffany Fallon looks more like Wonder Woman then most of the names that have been thrown around to play her in the proposed movie.  If she&#039;s has any acting ability, (I have no idea if she does or not)  I say give her a screen test.    If she&#039;s good cast her, I&#039;m completely serious about this.



3) I&#039;m not sure how much of a role model Wonder Woman is to young girls today.    Having helped to raise my niece, (now in her teens), I can tell you that characters like Buffy or the Power Puff Girls were more a part of her youth then Wonder Woman ever was.  In fact if her Uncle didn&#039;t read comics I don&#039;t think she&#039;d even know who Wonder Woman was.  Part of this is because DC hasn&#039;t really successfully marketed her for the new generation, on top of the fact that kids don&#039;t read comics anymore.  Anyway the point is, I don&#039;t really see this as harming a role model, at least not a role model for young girls.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have three things to say:</p>
<p>1) Playboy has done this sort of thing before, in the 70-80&#8217;s there was a comics themed pictorial with &#8220;undressed&#8221; interpretations of Batgirl, Sheena, The Dragon Lady and Lois Lane.  I can&#8217;t tell you what the Batgirl picture did for my teenage brain.  Recently they had a pictorial called directors fantasies, where known film directors directed a picture shoot, Kevin Smith did a Lois Lane themed picture, with Superman standing behind her fondling her breast.  There have also been pictures over the years of parties at Hef&#8217;s with models dressed (or undressed) up as Wonder Woman, Catwoman and Mystique from the X-Men, (I know this because I read the magazine for the articles, scouts honor), I don&#8217;t remember any controversy over any of these pictures, in fact except for a conversation on the old CompuServe forum, (back in the day), I don&#8217;t remember the comics community ever acknowledging them.</p>
<p>2) I think Tiffany Fallon looks more like Wonder Woman then most of the names that have been thrown around to play her in the proposed movie.  If she&#8217;s has any acting ability, (I have no idea if she does or not)  I say give her a screen test.    If she&#8217;s good cast her, I&#8217;m completely serious about this.</p>
<p>3) I&#8217;m not sure how much of a role model Wonder Woman is to young girls today.    Having helped to raise my niece, (now in her teens), I can tell you that characters like Buffy or the Power Puff Girls were more a part of her youth then Wonder Woman ever was.  In fact if her Uncle didn&#8217;t read comics I don&#8217;t think she&#8217;d even know who Wonder Woman was.  Part of this is because DC hasn&#8217;t really successfully marketed her for the new generation, on top of the fact that kids don&#8217;t read comics anymore.  Anyway the point is, I don&#8217;t really see this as harming a role model, at least not a role model for young girls.</p>
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		<title>By: John Dallaire</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2008/01/11/oh-dear-2/#comment-30675</link>
		<dc:creator>John Dallaire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 23:08:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DC has weighed in with their response as well.

They&#039;re declining to &quot;participate in this story.&quot;

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.pinkraygun.com/2008/01/15/youre-not-a-wonder-wonder-woman-dc-comics-official-position/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;LINK&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DC has weighed in with their response as well.</p>
<p>They&#8217;re declining to &#8220;participate in this story.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.pinkraygun.com/2008/01/15/youre-not-a-wonder-wonder-woman-dc-comics-official-position/" rel="nofollow">LINK</a></p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2008/01/11/oh-dear-2/#comment-30674</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 22:57:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, it looks like a certain superheroine has weighed in with her opinion, and she&#039;s not too pleased.

http://www.exterminatingangel.com/index.php?option=com_content&amp;task=view&amp;id=355&amp;Itemid=256</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, it looks like a certain superheroine has weighed in with her opinion, and she&#8217;s not too pleased.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.exterminatingangel.com/index.php?option=com_content&amp;task=view&amp;id=355&amp;Itemid=256" rel="nofollow">http://www.exterminatingangel.com/index.php?option=com_content&amp;task=view&amp;id=355&amp;Itemid=256</a></p>
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		<title>By: Tom Spurgeon</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2008/01/11/oh-dear-2/#comment-30673</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Spurgeon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 18:52:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s a smartest cop?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s a smartest cop?</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2008/01/11/oh-dear-2/#comment-30672</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 16:00:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m sorry but the arguments that Wonder Woman is an icon, that she&#039;s a role model, that she&#039;s an idol and therefore she should be portrayed only in such a manner is a Western analogy of the (also logically flawed) thought that all representations of the prophet Mohammed are blasphemous.

I hear your argument that you would like to have role models for your young daughter.  I hear the argument that you feel the character is rooted in honor, valor, and strength.  I get it, I truly do.  But if portraying a character as anything other than YOUR personal conceptualization of them is wrong then you had better plan to blog against Saturday Night Life and Family Guy and Robot Chicken and pretty much every stand-up comedian ever, and so on.  And it needn&#039;t be comedy either.

I wonder how many people here on this comment thread feel that this portrayal of Wonder Woman (in a men&#039;s magazine popularly known for nudity) is &quot;wrong&quot; but also loved Moore&#039;s Lost Girls or even Watchmen for that matter.

That photo is an artistic expression.  You may argue the value of its expression or claim that its being used to advertise, that it might be appealing to some lowest common denominator, or that its intellectually devoid.  Even if I grant you those points, its still an artistic expression, whether you value it or not.  And here&#039;s the problem:  should someone making their own artistic expression be REQUIRED to portray every concept material in the fashion that represents the highest moral and ethical stature?

And oh by the way, if you are upset merely because she appears nude, then you&#039;re not as enlightened as you think.  Nudity making something &quot;wrong&quot; is the same dogma that says &quot;sex is bad.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sorry but the arguments that Wonder Woman is an icon, that she&#8217;s a role model, that she&#8217;s an idol and therefore she should be portrayed only in such a manner is a Western analogy of the (also logically flawed) thought that all representations of the prophet Mohammed are blasphemous.</p>
<p>I hear your argument that you would like to have role models for your young daughter.  I hear the argument that you feel the character is rooted in honor, valor, and strength.  I get it, I truly do.  But if portraying a character as anything other than YOUR personal conceptualization of them is wrong then you had better plan to blog against Saturday Night Life and Family Guy and Robot Chicken and pretty much every stand-up comedian ever, and so on.  And it needn&#8217;t be comedy either.</p>
<p>I wonder how many people here on this comment thread feel that this portrayal of Wonder Woman (in a men&#8217;s magazine popularly known for nudity) is &#8220;wrong&#8221; but also loved Moore&#8217;s Lost Girls or even Watchmen for that matter.</p>
<p>That photo is an artistic expression.  You may argue the value of its expression or claim that its being used to advertise, that it might be appealing to some lowest common denominator, or that its intellectually devoid.  Even if I grant you those points, its still an artistic expression, whether you value it or not.  And here&#8217;s the problem:  should someone making their own artistic expression be REQUIRED to portray every concept material in the fashion that represents the highest moral and ethical stature?</p>
<p>And oh by the way, if you are upset merely because she appears nude, then you&#8217;re not as enlightened as you think.  Nudity making something &#8220;wrong&#8221; is the same dogma that says &#8220;sex is bad.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Just curious &#171; Precocious Curmudgeon</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2008/01/11/oh-dear-2/#comment-30671</link>
		<dc:creator>Just curious &#171; Precocious Curmudgeon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 10:01:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Just&#160;curious Filed under: DC &#8212; davidpwelsh @ 5:00 am   On the list of things I’d love to read: DC’s cease-and-desist letters to Playboy, if they actually exist. Comment makers over at The Beat suggested, probably quite correctly, that Playboy has been down this particular road often enough that it’s expert at just avoiding actionable copyright infringement. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Just&nbsp;curious Filed under: DC &#8212; davidpwelsh @ 5:00 am   On the list of things I’d love to read: DC’s cease-and-desist letters to Playboy, if they actually exist. Comment makers over at The Beat suggested, probably quite correctly, that Playboy has been down this particular road often enough that it’s expert at just avoiding actionable copyright infringement. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Wonder Woman Wasn&#8217;t The First Time Playboy Did This&#8230; &#124; Technophobiac Comics</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2008/01/11/oh-dear-2/#comment-30670</link>
		<dc:creator>Wonder Woman Wasn&#8217;t The First Time Playboy Did This&#8230; &#124; Technophobiac Comics</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2008 20:02:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Wonder Woman Wasn&#8217;t The First Time Playboy Did This&#8230;   I found this image while following the (lengthy) discussion that followed The Beat&#039;s post on the Wonder Woman Playboy cover thing...Misssssss Teschmacher!!!!As a side note, when I was a kid I thought the actress Valerie Perrine, depicted above and who was in the first two Superman movies, was cool because...well, because I had her name. Somehow, my parents kept this particular publication from me, tho.    from Occasional Superheroine   &#160; &#160;Posted in , , , , , Superman, Wonder Woman Playboy Cover, wonder woman &#160; &#160; [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Wonder Woman Wasn&#8217;t The First Time Playboy Did This&#8230;   I found this image while following the (lengthy) discussion that followed The Beat&#8217;s post on the Wonder Woman Playboy cover thing&#8230;Misssssss Teschmacher!!!!As a side note, when I was a kid I thought the actress Valerie Perrine, depicted above and who was in the first two Superman movies, was cool because&#8230;well, because I had her name. Somehow, my parents kept this particular publication from me, tho.    from Occasional Superheroine   &nbsp; &nbsp;Posted in , , , , , Superman, Wonder Woman Playboy Cover, wonder woman &nbsp; &nbsp; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Rockin' Rich</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2008/01/11/oh-dear-2/#comment-30669</link>
		<dc:creator>Rockin' Rich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2008 03:17:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Men are such pigs!

(But it&#039;s OK to ogle Gerard Butler.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Men are such pigs!</p>
<p>(But it&#8217;s OK to ogle Gerard Butler.)</p>
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		<title>By: David Serchay</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2008/01/11/oh-dear-2/#comment-30668</link>
		<dc:creator>David Serchay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2008 01:48:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s not even Playboy&#039;s first use of a DC character. A few years back Kevin Smith shot a picture with &quot;Superman and Lois&quot; with his wife playing &quot;Lois&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s not even Playboy&#8217;s first use of a DC character. A few years back Kevin Smith shot a picture with &#8220;Superman and Lois&#8221; with his wife playing &#8220;Lois&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: donkey kong</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2008/01/11/oh-dear-2/#comment-30667</link>
		<dc:creator>donkey kong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2008 04:52:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Looks nice.

Not that it will &quot;move&quot; issues as the issue is wrapped in blue plastic at the news stands anyways. Frankly it doesnt seem any more offensive than what DC has done to the actual Wonder Woman over the last 50 years or so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looks nice.</p>
<p>Not that it will &#8220;move&#8221; issues as the issue is wrapped in blue plastic at the news stands anyways. Frankly it doesnt seem any more offensive than what DC has done to the actual Wonder Woman over the last 50 years or so.</p>
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