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		<title>By: Unpopular</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2007/12/13/strike-drags-on/#comment-27480</link>
		<dc:creator>Unpopular</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Dec 2007 12:47:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t see why people insist upon comparing different industries and pretending it makes perfect sense to run them both the exact same way.  Writing isn&#039;t Web Design isn&#039;t Nursing isn&#039;t Sanitaton isn&#039;t Stock Trading.  You do what you do and you get paid the way you get paid.  This is how THEY get paid, and they DESERVE A RAISE.  Yes, even the ones who write crap deserve a fair cut of the profits made from said crap.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t see why people insist upon comparing different industries and pretending it makes perfect sense to run them both the exact same way.  Writing isn&#8217;t Web Design isn&#8217;t Nursing isn&#8217;t Sanitaton isn&#8217;t Stock Trading.  You do what you do and you get paid the way you get paid.  This is how THEY get paid, and they DESERVE A RAISE.  Yes, even the ones who write crap deserve a fair cut of the profits made from said crap.</p>
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		<title>By: Rick Rottman</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2007/12/13/strike-drags-on/#comment-27479</link>
		<dc:creator>Rick Rottman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 01:03:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Susie, bandwidth costs are not nothing.  Unlike broadcast TV, the more people that watch something on the Internet, the more expensive it is.  Look at what happened when Marvel made their online service available.  The site was constantly going down because of high bandwidth use.

Your are right.  New delivery systems do have the potential to make an enormous amount of money.  The keyword there is &lt;i&gt;potential&lt;/i&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Susie, bandwidth costs are not nothing.  Unlike broadcast TV, the more people that watch something on the Internet, the more expensive it is.  Look at what happened when Marvel made their online service available.  The site was constantly going down because of high bandwidth use.</p>
<p>Your are right.  New delivery systems do have the potential to make an enormous amount of money.  The keyword there is <i>potential</i>.</p>
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		<title>By: Rick Rottman</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2007/12/13/strike-drags-on/#comment-27478</link>
		<dc:creator>Rick Rottman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 00:51:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Heidi, you can say my understanding of the issues is nebulous, but I know that writers were always getting residuals from the sales on iTunes.  They are currently get .3% of the gross for downloads where the customer pays for the download.  That includes iTunes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heidi, you can say my understanding of the issues is nebulous, but I know that writers were always getting residuals from the sales on iTunes.  They are currently get .3% of the gross for downloads where the customer pays for the download.  That includes iTunes.</p>
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		<title>By: joffe</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2007/12/13/strike-drags-on/#comment-27477</link>
		<dc:creator>joffe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 00:35:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dane, its my bad. What you are saying is what I already said (or tried to anyways). If someone is good, then they will get more money from being hired more. But that happens naturally. What I meant was there&#039;s no way to created an INSTITUTIONALIZED system where people are judged as being OBJECTIVELY BAD and therefore don&#039;t get money for something they created. A system where someone says &quot;no, I don&#039;t think this is very good&quot; after the fact and THEN decides they shouldn&#039;t get internet revenue, which is what I thought you were suggesting for some reason.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dane, its my bad. What you are saying is what I already said (or tried to anyways). If someone is good, then they will get more money from being hired more. But that happens naturally. What I meant was there&#8217;s no way to created an INSTITUTIONALIZED system where people are judged as being OBJECTIVELY BAD and therefore don&#8217;t get money for something they created. A system where someone says &#8220;no, I don&#8217;t think this is very good&#8221; after the fact and THEN decides they shouldn&#8217;t get internet revenue, which is what I thought you were suggesting for some reason.</p>
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		<title>By: The Dane</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2007/12/13/strike-drags-on/#comment-27476</link>
		<dc:creator>The Dane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 00:02:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joffe, you say that &quot;there’s no way you can realistically set up a system where good writers get paid for internet revenue while bad writers don’t.&quot; Respectfully, I don&#039;t see why this should be the case. It happens in my industry and others all the time.

I&#039;m an artist and I work in web and graphics. The people in my industry who truly rock command more money and nicer contracts. The workaday graphics slave doesn&#039;t have as much talent and so doesn&#039;t have as much command. This is how it works in a lot of industries. And it makes sense. If a designer doesn&#039;t like the offer, he either negotiates or doesn&#039;t take it.

As to whether internet broadcast should be counted similarly to television broadcast, I don&#039;t know. I think that if it can be shown that their current contract obliges them residuals from netcasting, then okay, they should get their due. But if not, then renegotiation is necessary (which seems like the case here), and if the employer doesn&#039;t care to renegotiate then that&#039;s unfortunate but it isn&#039;t the case that such residuals are the entitlement of the employee.

I don&#039;t make extra money on my designs no matter how much traffic crosses them. A McDonald&#039;s employing isn&#039;t entitled to extra cash depending on how many burgers he serves. It&#039;d be nice if we were, but we aren&#039;t - unless we negotiate it in into our contracts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joffe, you say that &#8220;there’s no way you can realistically set up a system where good writers get paid for internet revenue while bad writers don’t.&#8221; Respectfully, I don&#8217;t see why this should be the case. It happens in my industry and others all the time.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m an artist and I work in web and graphics. The people in my industry who truly rock command more money and nicer contracts. The workaday graphics slave doesn&#8217;t have as much talent and so doesn&#8217;t have as much command. This is how it works in a lot of industries. And it makes sense. If a designer doesn&#8217;t like the offer, he either negotiates or doesn&#8217;t take it.</p>
<p>As to whether internet broadcast should be counted similarly to television broadcast, I don&#8217;t know. I think that if it can be shown that their current contract obliges them residuals from netcasting, then okay, they should get their due. But if not, then renegotiation is necessary (which seems like the case here), and if the employer doesn&#8217;t care to renegotiate then that&#8217;s unfortunate but it isn&#8217;t the case that such residuals are the entitlement of the employee.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t make extra money on my designs no matter how much traffic crosses them. A McDonald&#8217;s employing isn&#8217;t entitled to extra cash depending on how many burgers he serves. It&#8217;d be nice if we were, but we aren&#8217;t &#8211; unless we negotiate it in into our contracts.</p>
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		<title>By: Susie</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2007/12/13/strike-drags-on/#comment-27475</link>
		<dc:creator>Susie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 00:01:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re right Rick, I used the wrong word. They&#039;re all striking for residuals.

Bandwidth costs are nothing. If it cost anything, nobody would be hosting videos for free. This is why the internet and mobile delivery is such a sticking point. New delivery systems have the potential to make an enormous amount of money. Especially when costs are already covered in broadcast television and there are no other broadcast licenses to pay for.

Advertisers are fleeing broadcast for internet spending.

As long as the internet remains largely unregulated there will be a continuous move from broadcast to the internet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re right Rick, I used the wrong word. They&#8217;re all striking for residuals.</p>
<p>Bandwidth costs are nothing. If it cost anything, nobody would be hosting videos for free. This is why the internet and mobile delivery is such a sticking point. New delivery systems have the potential to make an enormous amount of money. Especially when costs are already covered in broadcast television and there are no other broadcast licenses to pay for.</p>
<p>Advertisers are fleeing broadcast for internet spending.</p>
<p>As long as the internet remains largely unregulated there will be a continuous move from broadcast to the internet.</p>
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		<title>By: The Beat</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2007/12/13/strike-drags-on/#comment-27474</link>
		<dc:creator>The Beat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 23:44:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rick, not trying to be snarky, but your understanding of the issues here is nebulous at best.

Yes, GOLDEN COMPASS is a big flopperoo. That&#039;s why I used it as an example.

Are you familiar with the term &quot;Hollywood accounting&quot;? Most studios can prove GONE WITH THE WIND is a money loser over the years if they try hard enough. Dollar one participation is the only real guarantee of any back end.

WGA members are well compensated up front, it is true, but are you saying that NO ONE -- actors, directors, writers -- should receive money for something continues to make millions for the studio?

Bob Denver and Alan Hale, to name just one example, didn&#039;t get residuals for the countless showings of GILLIGAN&#039;S ISLAND. They -- and the writers who came up with their banter and catch phrases -- never saw a dime from the countless reshowings of Little Buddy getting bonked with a  coconut.

The internet may not be profitable now, but WHY should a writer get 0 percent of an iTunes download, to use a concrete example, when he r she gets a percentage of other paid uses?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rick, not trying to be snarky, but your understanding of the issues here is nebulous at best.</p>
<p>Yes, GOLDEN COMPASS is a big flopperoo. That&#8217;s why I used it as an example.</p>
<p>Are you familiar with the term &#8220;Hollywood accounting&#8221;? Most studios can prove GONE WITH THE WIND is a money loser over the years if they try hard enough. Dollar one participation is the only real guarantee of any back end.</p>
<p>WGA members are well compensated up front, it is true, but are you saying that NO ONE &#8212; actors, directors, writers &#8212; should receive money for something continues to make millions for the studio?</p>
<p>Bob Denver and Alan Hale, to name just one example, didn&#8217;t get residuals for the countless showings of GILLIGAN&#8217;S ISLAND. They &#8212; and the writers who came up with their banter and catch phrases &#8212; never saw a dime from the countless reshowings of Little Buddy getting bonked with a  coconut.</p>
<p>The internet may not be profitable now, but WHY should a writer get 0 percent of an iTunes download, to use a concrete example, when he r she gets a percentage of other paid uses?</p>
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		<title>By: Rick Rottman</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2007/12/13/strike-drags-on/#comment-27473</link>
		<dc:creator>Rick Rottman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 22:49:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Heidi, the article you linked to only says what revenue Internet-delivered content *may* generate in the future.  That&#039;s the whole point.  It may or it may not.  Nobody really knows.  As far as the cost of the Golden Compass is concerned, so far it looks like the film will only end up losing money, not making money.

Susie, they aren&#039;t striking for a bigger percentage of the profits.  They receive their residual whether a movie or TV show makes a profit or not.  They want a percentage of the Internet generated ad revenue before even any of the costs associated with streaming it is paid.   And remember that residuals and royalties are different.  Residuals are delayed payments for work done.  Royalties are paid to the actual owner of the content every time it is used or aired.  The writers don&#039;t own the shows or movies they write for.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heidi, the article you linked to only says what revenue Internet-delivered content *may* generate in the future.  That&#8217;s the whole point.  It may or it may not.  Nobody really knows.  As far as the cost of the Golden Compass is concerned, so far it looks like the film will only end up losing money, not making money.</p>
<p>Susie, they aren&#8217;t striking for a bigger percentage of the profits.  They receive their residual whether a movie or TV show makes a profit or not.  They want a percentage of the Internet generated ad revenue before even any of the costs associated with streaming it is paid.   And remember that residuals and royalties are different.  Residuals are delayed payments for work done.  Royalties are paid to the actual owner of the content every time it is used or aired.  The writers don&#8217;t own the shows or movies they write for.</p>
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		<title>By: joffe</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2007/12/13/strike-drags-on/#comment-27472</link>
		<dc:creator>joffe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 22:48:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thats the thing though michael. What if the corporation isn&#039;t honoring the agreement? What if new technology or issues arise and you and the company disagree on how it fits into your agreement? What if you can&#039;t &quot;find a new job&quot; because its an industry-wide problem?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thats the thing though michael. What if the corporation isn&#8217;t honoring the agreement? What if new technology or issues arise and you and the company disagree on how it fits into your agreement? What if you can&#8217;t &#8220;find a new job&#8221; because its an industry-wide problem?</p>
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		<title>By: michael</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2007/12/13/strike-drags-on/#comment-27471</link>
		<dc:creator>michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 22:07:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m with the writers in that I think they deserve a good and fair deal but I still don&#039;t agree with a strike (sports, writers, labor, whatever).  Never understood &#039;em. I work the agreements I make. If I don&#039;t like it, I find a new job.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m with the writers in that I think they deserve a good and fair deal but I still don&#8217;t agree with a strike (sports, writers, labor, whatever).  Never understood &#8216;em. I work the agreements I make. If I don&#8217;t like it, I find a new job.</p>
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		<title>By: joffe</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2007/12/13/strike-drags-on/#comment-27470</link>
		<dc:creator>joffe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 21:48:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It doesn&#039;t matter who&#039;s a &quot;good writer&quot; and who&#039;s a &quot;bad writer&quot; Dane. Everyone deserves to profit from their work. There&#039;s no way you can realistically set up a system where good writers get paid for internet revenue while bad writers don&#039;t, and guilds have nothing to do with it. If the &quot;excellent are dragged down by the mediocre&quot; among writers then its the public&#039;s fault for choosing to watch crap, not your fear of organized labor. I think Lost is a terrible show, but that doesn&#039;t mean I want to punish the writers for it. You&#039;re playing right into the corporations&#039; hands when you think like that.

And its not really a raise either because they&#039;re not asking for anything new. What they&#039;re saying is that an entire episode broadcast over the internet is the same as an entire episode broadcast on tv, and that they should be compensated accordingly. They&#039;re not even asking to be compensated much.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It doesn&#8217;t matter who&#8217;s a &#8220;good writer&#8221; and who&#8217;s a &#8220;bad writer&#8221; Dane. Everyone deserves to profit from their work. There&#8217;s no way you can realistically set up a system where good writers get paid for internet revenue while bad writers don&#8217;t, and guilds have nothing to do with it. If the &#8220;excellent are dragged down by the mediocre&#8221; among writers then its the public&#8217;s fault for choosing to watch crap, not your fear of organized labor. I think Lost is a terrible show, but that doesn&#8217;t mean I want to punish the writers for it. You&#8217;re playing right into the corporations&#8217; hands when you think like that.</p>
<p>And its not really a raise either because they&#8217;re not asking for anything new. What they&#8217;re saying is that an entire episode broadcast over the internet is the same as an entire episode broadcast on tv, and that they should be compensated accordingly. They&#8217;re not even asking to be compensated much.</p>
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		<title>By: brett tolino</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2007/12/13/strike-drags-on/#comment-27469</link>
		<dc:creator>brett tolino</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 21:45:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What ever it is, studios (and their executives) make millions of dollars off the hard work of the writers. I&#039;m not a writer by any stretch however, I think it&#039;s disgusting and revolting that the studios refuse to share.

What, is it THAT terrible if one of the studio executives have to share some of their six and seven figure dollars (not counting bonuses of course). Ok, so you may a few million less.

Their greed is making people sick. Get off your high horse, studio executives.

You&#039;re still much higher than the rest of the working class.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What ever it is, studios (and their executives) make millions of dollars off the hard work of the writers. I&#8217;m not a writer by any stretch however, I think it&#8217;s disgusting and revolting that the studios refuse to share.</p>
<p>What, is it THAT terrible if one of the studio executives have to share some of their six and seven figure dollars (not counting bonuses of course). Ok, so you may a few million less.</p>
<p>Their greed is making people sick. Get off your high horse, studio executives.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re still much higher than the rest of the working class.</p>
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		<title>By: The Dane</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2007/12/13/strike-drags-on/#comment-27468</link>
		<dc:creator>The Dane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 21:09:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the whole &quot;experimental&quot; excuse is hoo-haw. If the internet isn&#039;t making money, then the writers percentage of that will be zero dollars. If it does make money then they&#039;ll make whatever percentage they make.

Distilled, the issue seems as simple as: The writers want a raise and their employers don&#039;t want to give them a raise. The writers think they are worth the raise and the employers don&#039;t.

Personally, I think some writers are worth it but most aren&#039;t. But that&#039;s the problem with guilds and unions. The excellent are dragged down by the mediocre, the weak benefit from the excellent, and the mediocre are still just mediocre.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the whole &#8220;experimental&#8221; excuse is hoo-haw. If the internet isn&#8217;t making money, then the writers percentage of that will be zero dollars. If it does make money then they&#8217;ll make whatever percentage they make.</p>
<p>Distilled, the issue seems as simple as: The writers want a raise and their employers don&#8217;t want to give them a raise. The writers think they are worth the raise and the employers don&#8217;t.</p>
<p>Personally, I think some writers are worth it but most aren&#8217;t. But that&#8217;s the problem with guilds and unions. The excellent are dragged down by the mediocre, the weak benefit from the excellent, and the mediocre are still just mediocre.</p>
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		<title>By: Susie</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2007/12/13/strike-drags-on/#comment-27467</link>
		<dc:creator>Susie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 20:04:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjGbHHtbZP0

There either IS money or there ISN&#039;T money on the web. The corporations can&#039;t have it both ways. If there IS money, the Writers (and in a few months, Actors and Directors) want a small percentage of the profits. If there are no profits, there are no royalties.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjGbHHtbZP0" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjGbHHtbZP0</a></p>
<p>There either IS money or there ISN&#8217;T money on the web. The corporations can&#8217;t have it both ways. If there IS money, the Writers (and in a few months, Actors and Directors) want a small percentage of the profits. If there are no profits, there are no royalties.</p>
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		<title>By: The Beat</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2007/12/13/strike-drags-on/#comment-27466</link>
		<dc:creator>The Beat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 19:44:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rick, bandwidth is not that expensive!

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.forbes.com/intelligentinfrastructure/2006/04/27/video-youtube-myspace_cx_df_0428video.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The content-delivery business may be a $500 million a year business--twice the value of Internet video advertising and users fees--and is growing 25% per year, IDC estimates. &lt;/a&gt;

$500 million a year? That&#039;s only 2 1/2 GOLDEN COMPASSES.

In that same quote it notes that that&#039;s still twice the revenue, but this model is growing by leaps and bounds. In a few years, it will be a major, major source of revenue.

The writer&#039;s went on strike the last time because they were told that &quot;home video was experimental&quot; and it might not ever be profitable.

Fool me once.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rick, bandwidth is not that expensive!</p>
<p><a href="http://www.forbes.com/intelligentinfrastructure/2006/04/27/video-youtube-myspace_cx_df_0428video.html" rel="nofollow">The content-delivery business may be a $500 million a year business&#8211;twice the value of Internet video advertising and users fees&#8211;and is growing 25% per year, IDC estimates. </a></p>
<p>$500 million a year? That&#8217;s only 2 1/2 GOLDEN COMPASSES.</p>
<p>In that same quote it notes that that&#8217;s still twice the revenue, but this model is growing by leaps and bounds. In a few years, it will be a major, major source of revenue.</p>
<p>The writer&#8217;s went on strike the last time because they were told that &#8220;home video was experimental&#8221; and it might not ever be profitable.</p>
<p>Fool me once.</p>
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