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	<title>Comments on: Pope searches for literary quality in comics</title>
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		<title>By: STWALLSKULL &#187; Interesting Links: December 20, 2007</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2007/12/13/pope-searches-for-literary-quality-in-comics/#comment-27550</link>
		<dc:creator>STWALLSKULL &#187; Interesting Links: December 20, 2007</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Dec 2007 19:31:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Pope searches for literary quality in comics from THE BEAT [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Ulises</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2007/12/13/pope-searches-for-literary-quality-in-comics/#comment-27549</link>
		<dc:creator>Ulises</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Dec 2007 20:01:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with the writer of the blog piece. I think most of these comments are taking a very narrow sheltered view of literature and comics in general. Comic book writing is stuck in a weird puberty, unsure of what it wants to say and how to say it best.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with the writer of the blog piece. I think most of these comments are taking a very narrow sheltered view of literature and comics in general. Comic book writing is stuck in a weird puberty, unsure of what it wants to say and how to say it best.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben99</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2007/12/13/pope-searches-for-literary-quality-in-comics/#comment-27548</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben99</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Dec 2007 18:13:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dan Clowes
Chris Ware
Ivan Brunetti
Kevin H
Jaime Hernandez
Gilbert Hernandez
Charles Burns
Chester Brown
Adrian Tomine</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dan Clowes<br />
Chris Ware<br />
Ivan Brunetti<br />
Kevin H<br />
Jaime Hernandez<br />
Gilbert Hernandez<br />
Charles Burns<br />
Chester Brown<br />
Adrian Tomine</p>
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		<title>By: Ford MF</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2007/12/13/pope-searches-for-literary-quality-in-comics/#comment-27547</link>
		<dc:creator>Ford MF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 20:51:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also yeah, the excellent Eric Shanower is right, Paul Pope isn&#039;t reading the right comics (or he&#039;s just an irretrievable snob).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also yeah, the excellent Eric Shanower is right, Paul Pope isn&#8217;t reading the right comics (or he&#8217;s just an irretrievable snob).</p>
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		<title>By: Ford MF</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2007/12/13/pope-searches-for-literary-quality-in-comics/#comment-27546</link>
		<dc:creator>Ford MF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 20:49:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Weird to wonder aloud where the literary quality in comics is, and then go on to name a string of absolute literary mediocrities as your high-water marks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Weird to wonder aloud where the literary quality in comics is, and then go on to name a string of absolute literary mediocrities as your high-water marks.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Krause</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2007/12/13/pope-searches-for-literary-quality-in-comics/#comment-27545</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter Krause</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 19:52:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ouch!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ouch!</p>
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		<title>By: seth</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2007/12/13/pope-searches-for-literary-quality-in-comics/#comment-27544</link>
		<dc:creator>seth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 17:25:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>moby dick is pretty rough.  ZING!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>moby dick is pretty rough.  ZING!</p>
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		<title>By: Sean</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2007/12/13/pope-searches-for-literary-quality-in-comics/#comment-27543</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 15:50:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, come on Tony. Moby Dick has at least 6% action, what with the long descriptions of the crew processing of blubber for oil and what not. That&#039;s some riveting shit, right there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, come on Tony. Moby Dick has at least 6% action, what with the long descriptions of the crew processing of blubber for oil and what not. That&#8217;s some riveting shit, right there.</p>
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		<title>By: Tony Millionaire</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2007/12/13/pope-searches-for-literary-quality-in-comics/#comment-27542</link>
		<dc:creator>Tony Millionaire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 10:24:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Beat Says:
12/13/07 at 2:22 pm
Moby-Dick is literature, too. So is War and Peace. Both feature lots of action. Not all literary fiction is imediately recognized as such.


Heidi, did you ever read Moby Dick? 99% wordsmithery, 1% action.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Beat Says:<br />
12/13/07 at 2:22 pm<br />
Moby-Dick is literature, too. So is War and Peace. Both feature lots of action. Not all literary fiction is imediately recognized as such.</p>
<p>Heidi, did you ever read Moby Dick? 99% wordsmithery, 1% action.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel Mata</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2007/12/13/pope-searches-for-literary-quality-in-comics/#comment-27541</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel Mata</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 07:58:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Then again, I should have read his whole blog and his response here before I commented.  I&#039;m clearly enjoying my toes now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Then again, I should have read his whole blog and his response here before I commented.  I&#8217;m clearly enjoying my toes now.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel Mata</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2007/12/13/pope-searches-for-literary-quality-in-comics/#comment-27540</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel Mata</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 07:55:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think he&#039;s mostly asking, why aren&#039;t there literary writers in SUPERHERO comics from the big two instead of comics as a whole.

The thing is, there are, and he&#039;s too lazy to look for them, just like 90% of all american comic book readers with the same complaint.  I never expected him to be that ignorant of what the medium has to offer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think he&#8217;s mostly asking, why aren&#8217;t there literary writers in SUPERHERO comics from the big two instead of comics as a whole.</p>
<p>The thing is, there are, and he&#8217;s too lazy to look for them, just like 90% of all american comic book readers with the same complaint.  I never expected him to be that ignorant of what the medium has to offer.</p>
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		<title>By: eric shanower</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2007/12/13/pope-searches-for-literary-quality-in-comics/#comment-27539</link>
		<dc:creator>eric shanower</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 02:38:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I do admit not reading Paul Pope&#039;s whole blog. I just read the part on The Beat, so that&#039;s what I replied to. I&#039;m afraid I&#039;m too busy trying to be a literary cartoonist to click the link and read it all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I do admit not reading Paul Pope&#8217;s whole blog. I just read the part on The Beat, so that&#8217;s what I replied to. I&#8217;m afraid I&#8217;m too busy trying to be a literary cartoonist to click the link and read it all.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Williams</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2007/12/13/pope-searches-for-literary-quality-in-comics/#comment-27538</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe Williams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 23:59:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>P&#039;owned by P&#039;Pope! Seriously, if one quote offends your sensibilities so much that you consider writing a scathing attack on the Intertubes then maybe you should actually read the damn thing to make sure what you&#039;re taking offense at is really what was meant. It&#039;s like if film critics watched 5 minutes from the middle of a movie and wrote an entire review.

Maybe part of the problem of what Pope is addressing is that besides the aforementioned works of Barks (and maybe Frank King, Will Eisner a small handful of others), many comics artists from days gone by simply didn&#039;t have enough time or space to develop a subtle and rich story that would qualify it to be considered literary. Most artists of the past were limited to 1-22 page stories which often featured a corporate character who was strictly controlled by editorial. As the medium has progressed I think we&#039;re seeing a lot more of these types of works, though frankly many of the new works aspiring to be considered literature ring a little false like those films obviously designed to win the Oscar which are hailed by critics one year and all but forgotten a couple years down the road.

While I&#039;m here, I always wanted to let Mr. Pope how much I always wished he&#039;d finish Smoke Navigator! &quot;Clove cigarettes. She smoked clove cigarettes...&quot; Beautiful stuff! And is the Car Crash story (either from DHP or Oni Double Feature, I forget which) going to be collected? I never got all the issues it ran in...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>P&#8217;owned by P&#8217;Pope! Seriously, if one quote offends your sensibilities so much that you consider writing a scathing attack on the Intertubes then maybe you should actually read the damn thing to make sure what you&#8217;re taking offense at is really what was meant. It&#8217;s like if film critics watched 5 minutes from the middle of a movie and wrote an entire review.</p>
<p>Maybe part of the problem of what Pope is addressing is that besides the aforementioned works of Barks (and maybe Frank King, Will Eisner a small handful of others), many comics artists from days gone by simply didn&#8217;t have enough time or space to develop a subtle and rich story that would qualify it to be considered literary. Most artists of the past were limited to 1-22 page stories which often featured a corporate character who was strictly controlled by editorial. As the medium has progressed I think we&#8217;re seeing a lot more of these types of works, though frankly many of the new works aspiring to be considered literature ring a little false like those films obviously designed to win the Oscar which are hailed by critics one year and all but forgotten a couple years down the road.</p>
<p>While I&#8217;m here, I always wanted to let Mr. Pope how much I always wished he&#8217;d finish Smoke Navigator! &#8220;Clove cigarettes. She smoked clove cigarettes&#8230;&#8221; Beautiful stuff! And is the Car Crash story (either from DHP or Oni Double Feature, I forget which) going to be collected? I never got all the issues it ran in&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: pulphope</title>
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		<dc:creator>pulphope</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 22:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rather than resort to cheap ad hominems,  jump to your simple straw-man conclusions, or put your words in my mouth, some of you might have sussed out my whole point if you actually read what I wrote.  I clearly define &quot;literary quality&quot; in comics this way:

&quot;More stories with better art and better writing, always and forever more. Whether it&#039;s a serious meditation on the private life of a family or a madcap ruckus with kooky talking animals, all I care is that it&#039;s a comic story which is done well and it has lasting impact -- that&#039;s the literary quality I want to see in a comic.&quot;

There is a subtle reference to Carl Barks in that passage.

And J trizzo, whoever you are, if you think I am sitting on my ass, you are out of your f&#039;n mind.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rather than resort to cheap ad hominems,  jump to your simple straw-man conclusions, or put your words in my mouth, some of you might have sussed out my whole point if you actually read what I wrote.  I clearly define &#8220;literary quality&#8221; in comics this way:</p>
<p>&#8220;More stories with better art and better writing, always and forever more. Whether it&#8217;s a serious meditation on the private life of a family or a madcap ruckus with kooky talking animals, all I care is that it&#8217;s a comic story which is done well and it has lasting impact &#8212; that&#8217;s the literary quality I want to see in a comic.&#8221;</p>
<p>There is a subtle reference to Carl Barks in that passage.</p>
<p>And J trizzo, whoever you are, if you think I am sitting on my ass, you are out of your f&#8217;n mind.</p>
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		<title>By: michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 22:23:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I disagree with what Pope says.  Yes, good comics are desireable, but to say that prose literature and manga are the answers to look forward to as a model? Well, that&#039;s not only crazy, but contradictatory(sp) in my mind.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I disagree with what Pope says.  Yes, good comics are desireable, but to say that prose literature and manga are the answers to look forward to as a model? Well, that&#8217;s not only crazy, but contradictatory(sp) in my mind.</p>
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