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	<title>Comments on: One Less Wife</title>
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		<title>By: Pee Female Pee Pee Hole</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2007/12/06/one-less-wife/#comment-27152</link>
		<dc:creator>Pee Female Pee Pee Hole</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Dec 2007 20:54:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Pee Female Pee Pee Hole...&lt;/strong&gt;

I can not agree with you in 100% regarding some thoughts, but you got good point of view...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Pee Female Pee Pee Hole&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>I can not agree with you in 100% regarding some thoughts, but you got good point of view&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Bieser</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2007/12/06/one-less-wife/#comment-27151</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott Bieser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Dec 2007 04:28:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like Simmo&#039;s idea for writing out Mary Jane is far better than this Mephisto silliness.

That said, I haven&#039;t bought a Spider-Man comic in 15 years, and don&#039;t intend to start, so for me this is rather like getting news that an old friend I&#039;d lost interest in keeping up with has come down with Alzheimer&#039;s.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like Simmo&#8217;s idea for writing out Mary Jane is far better than this Mephisto silliness.</p>
<p>That said, I haven&#8217;t bought a Spider-Man comic in 15 years, and don&#8217;t intend to start, so for me this is rather like getting news that an old friend I&#8217;d lost interest in keeping up with has come down with Alzheimer&#8217;s.</p>
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		<title>By: groonk</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2007/12/06/one-less-wife/#comment-27150</link>
		<dc:creator>groonk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Dec 2007 18:27:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i thought the Ultimate line was supposed to be the starter books for the new generations?

i seriously don&#039;t know. on the one hand, it *is* a book meant for young adults . that&#039;s their demographic. that&#039;s what they should be working with.

on the other, the entire plot device is beyond stupidity. of all the retconning devices in the literate world, that&#039;s the best one they could come up with.

sad.

stuff like this makes me happy i moved away from the pervert spandex books.

except for Whedon&#039;s X-Men, of course.

heh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i thought the Ultimate line was supposed to be the starter books for the new generations?</p>
<p>i seriously don&#8217;t know. on the one hand, it *is* a book meant for young adults . that&#8217;s their demographic. that&#8217;s what they should be working with.</p>
<p>on the other, the entire plot device is beyond stupidity. of all the retconning devices in the literate world, that&#8217;s the best one they could come up with.</p>
<p>sad.</p>
<p>stuff like this makes me happy i moved away from the pervert spandex books.</p>
<p>except for Whedon&#8217;s X-Men, of course.</p>
<p>heh.</p>
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		<title>By: Brett</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2007/12/06/one-less-wife/#comment-27149</link>
		<dc:creator>Brett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Dec 2007 03:59:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brian...

Spidey&#039;s a whole lot more fun and easy for kids to relate to when he&#039;s single? How so? When was the last time a kid bought Spider-Man, or any comic for that matter? Comics are not priced or aimed at kids anymore.
Just look at the young reader line circ figures, you&#039;ll see what I mean. Even the Spider-Man movie couldn&#039;t get them into the shops.


Rich,

I truly wish Aunt May&#039;s death &#039;was&#039; inevitable.

If that were the case, we wouldn&#039;t even be having this discussion because the One More Day storyline wouldn&#039;t exist. Aunt May would have stayed dead in Amazing Spider-Man # 195 (or thereabouts). Or in Spider-Man # 400. That&#039;s what makes this whole storyline so silly. How many times does Peter Parker have to watch this old hag die and come back? That&#039;s also why he&#039;d be an idiot if he accepted Mephisto&#039;s offer.

1) It&#039;s common knowledge that anyone who deals with the devil, loses. The devil is the great deceiver, a liar so why would he make a deal with him? It&#039;s an insult to the character&#039;s intelligence and the reader&#039;s intelligence if he does. It&#039;s also anti-heroic.

2) As an editor, I&#039;d be more worried about making Spider Man look dumb to accept a deal with the devil than having him be fun and single. If Peter Parker is a loser, he can&#039;t have fun so that too is an oxymoron statement. Being a loser isn&#039;t exactly fun.

3) Getting back to Peter&#039;s response to Mephisto, really, he should tell Mephisto to fuck off.

&#039;Go ahead Mephy, TRY and kill her. Greater editors than you have tried. Aunt May, she&#039;s like The Terminator.

&#039;She&#039;ll be back.&#039;

But really, this whole yarn is an example of why stories in comics have become less and less readable. They have ZERO credibility. What&#039;s written today will be undone tomorrow. So why bother reading them to begin with? Joe Q undoes the Spidey Marriage, Dan Didio undoes Crisis and unleashes 52 earths in the DCU.

What a mess. This a sign of creative bankrupcy upstairs. Forget changing or retconing the characters. Change the company leaders.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brian&#8230;</p>
<p>Spidey&#8217;s a whole lot more fun and easy for kids to relate to when he&#8217;s single? How so? When was the last time a kid bought Spider-Man, or any comic for that matter? Comics are not priced or aimed at kids anymore.<br />
Just look at the young reader line circ figures, you&#8217;ll see what I mean. Even the Spider-Man movie couldn&#8217;t get them into the shops.</p>
<p>Rich,</p>
<p>I truly wish Aunt May&#8217;s death &#8216;was&#8217; inevitable.</p>
<p>If that were the case, we wouldn&#8217;t even be having this discussion because the One More Day storyline wouldn&#8217;t exist. Aunt May would have stayed dead in Amazing Spider-Man # 195 (or thereabouts). Or in Spider-Man # 400. That&#8217;s what makes this whole storyline so silly. How many times does Peter Parker have to watch this old hag die and come back? That&#8217;s also why he&#8217;d be an idiot if he accepted Mephisto&#8217;s offer.</p>
<p>1) It&#8217;s common knowledge that anyone who deals with the devil, loses. The devil is the great deceiver, a liar so why would he make a deal with him? It&#8217;s an insult to the character&#8217;s intelligence and the reader&#8217;s intelligence if he does. It&#8217;s also anti-heroic.</p>
<p>2) As an editor, I&#8217;d be more worried about making Spider Man look dumb to accept a deal with the devil than having him be fun and single. If Peter Parker is a loser, he can&#8217;t have fun so that too is an oxymoron statement. Being a loser isn&#8217;t exactly fun.</p>
<p>3) Getting back to Peter&#8217;s response to Mephisto, really, he should tell Mephisto to fuck off.</p>
<p>&#8216;Go ahead Mephy, TRY and kill her. Greater editors than you have tried. Aunt May, she&#8217;s like The Terminator.</p>
<p>&#8216;She&#8217;ll be back.&#8217;</p>
<p>But really, this whole yarn is an example of why stories in comics have become less and less readable. They have ZERO credibility. What&#8217;s written today will be undone tomorrow. So why bother reading them to begin with? Joe Q undoes the Spidey Marriage, Dan Didio undoes Crisis and unleashes 52 earths in the DCU.</p>
<p>What a mess. This a sign of creative bankrupcy upstairs. Forget changing or retconing the characters. Change the company leaders.</p>
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		<title>By: Wraith</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2007/12/06/one-less-wife/#comment-27148</link>
		<dc:creator>Wraith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Dec 2007 03:41:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A few quick points.

1. Spidey should NEVER had been married to begin with. IMO, the marriage ruined the character. So I&#039;m all for the marriage ending.

2. The decision to marry him in the comic was and EDITORIAL one.

3. Using Mephisto to get rid of the marriage is a DUMB idea.

4. From the rumors I heard about OMD, JMS&#039;s original idea wasn&#039;t much better then Quesada&#039;s idea. Hell, I think both their ideas SUCK.

5. I pretty much figured out how OMD will end and what the end results will be for Spidey. In fact, I knew for about a year. And from the rumors I heard, I was pretty much dead on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A few quick points.</p>
<p>1. Spidey should NEVER had been married to begin with. IMO, the marriage ruined the character. So I&#8217;m all for the marriage ending.</p>
<p>2. The decision to marry him in the comic was and EDITORIAL one.</p>
<p>3. Using Mephisto to get rid of the marriage is a DUMB idea.</p>
<p>4. From the rumors I heard about OMD, JMS&#8217;s original idea wasn&#8217;t much better then Quesada&#8217;s idea. Hell, I think both their ideas SUCK.</p>
<p>5. I pretty much figured out how OMD will end and what the end results will be for Spidey. In fact, I knew for about a year. And from the rumors I heard, I was pretty much dead on.</p>
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		<title>By: Torsten Adair</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2007/12/06/one-less-wife/#comment-27147</link>
		<dc:creator>Torsten Adair</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Dec 2007 03:30:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Hell is paved with good intentions.&quot;
If Peter Parker makes a deal with the devil, he loses morally, and he sacrifices what is quite possibly the greatest marriage in the Marvel Universe.
Two retcons are possible.  1. The Flash Gambit. Wally West made a deal with the devil, sacrificing his love for his girlfriend. Their love for each other causes the devil to nullify the contract, as Evil cannot abide Love. 2. The Universe splits (2081?), we get some interesting stories, and then we get One More Retcon and everything returns to normal.
One more point: Spider-Man accidentally killed Gwen Stacy. And the next movie should have Gwen sell her soul to become the Black Cat, thereby creating a triangle. Does Peter pick the hottie with superpowers who compliments his secret identity, or the hottie who loves him as Peter?
And what about Betty Brant? Liz Allen? And the many others? What if May Parker was really Madame Web? And does this mean Peter will be wearing glasses again?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Hell is paved with good intentions.&#8221;<br />
If Peter Parker makes a deal with the devil, he loses morally, and he sacrifices what is quite possibly the greatest marriage in the Marvel Universe.<br />
Two retcons are possible.  1. The Flash Gambit. Wally West made a deal with the devil, sacrificing his love for his girlfriend. Their love for each other causes the devil to nullify the contract, as Evil cannot abide Love. 2. The Universe splits (2081?), we get some interesting stories, and then we get One More Retcon and everything returns to normal.<br />
One more point: Spider-Man accidentally killed Gwen Stacy. And the next movie should have Gwen sell her soul to become the Black Cat, thereby creating a triangle. Does Peter pick the hottie with superpowers who compliments his secret identity, or the hottie who loves him as Peter?<br />
And what about Betty Brant? Liz Allen? And the many others? What if May Parker was really Madame Web? And does this mean Peter will be wearing glasses again?</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2007/12/06/one-less-wife/#comment-27146</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Dec 2007 01:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joe DaQ is a freakin&#039; moron. There...I said it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joe DaQ is a freakin&#8217; moron. There&#8230;I said it.</p>
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		<title>By: rich</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2007/12/06/one-less-wife/#comment-27145</link>
		<dc:creator>rich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2007 17:24:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;It’s a shame that the deal with the devil produces such meager returns. Why not have Peter really forced to make a flawed decision and have it be he can have Gwen back alive if the Mary Jane marriage is null and void? It could be like “Peter’s Choice” or something. I couldn’t care less about housewife Mary Jane who stopped being fun and breezy sometime during the Carter Administration. Admittedly, I haven’t read the comic since the Reagan administration.&quot;

I don&#039;t know how they could have worked this in ... but Aunt May dying is inevitable.  The death of Gwen, however, is something of which Peter never really forgave himself.  Peter loves Mary Jane ... but I gotta believe that at least once a month, something reminds him of Gwen.  And at least once a year, there must be some quiet, wistful moment where he wonders what might have been.  If Mephisto proposed this, it would REALLY have had drama ...

Although I like the suggestion, &quot;Hey, Mephy, go F*** yourself!&quot; Telling Mephisto off would instantly make him THE coolest character of all time.

As for waking up from a black-out threeway with the Black Cat and the Gwen Clone ... I shudder at this thought ... I feel guilty for even being amused and a little intrigued at the thought.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;It’s a shame that the deal with the devil produces such meager returns. Why not have Peter really forced to make a flawed decision and have it be he can have Gwen back alive if the Mary Jane marriage is null and void? It could be like “Peter’s Choice” or something. I couldn’t care less about housewife Mary Jane who stopped being fun and breezy sometime during the Carter Administration. Admittedly, I haven’t read the comic since the Reagan administration.&#8221;</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know how they could have worked this in &#8230; but Aunt May dying is inevitable.  The death of Gwen, however, is something of which Peter never really forgave himself.  Peter loves Mary Jane &#8230; but I gotta believe that at least once a month, something reminds him of Gwen.  And at least once a year, there must be some quiet, wistful moment where he wonders what might have been.  If Mephisto proposed this, it would REALLY have had drama &#8230;</p>
<p>Although I like the suggestion, &#8220;Hey, Mephy, go F*** yourself!&#8221; Telling Mephisto off would instantly make him THE coolest character of all time.</p>
<p>As for waking up from a black-out threeway with the Black Cat and the Gwen Clone &#8230; I shudder at this thought &#8230; I feel guilty for even being amused and a little intrigued at the thought.</p>
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		<title>By: rich</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2007/12/06/one-less-wife/#comment-27144</link>
		<dc:creator>rich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2007 17:14:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I don’t think this is about making Spider-Man someone teens can relate to at all. I think it’s about giving older men (the 40 year old superhero fan of much ballyhoo) some kind of thrill in imagining that they’re not only a a hero, but also young and single and carefree. Double your vicarious thrills! Something that only makes the books that much more unappealing to me.&quot;

If by &quot;older men,&quot; you mean Joe. Q, I&#039;ll go along with that.  Otherwise, the &quot;aging fanboy&quot; argument is just as stupid and shallow today as it was when it became &quot;cool&quot; a few years ago.

As a 39-yr old, I stopped reading all the SPIDER-MAN titles 15+ years ago because they didn&#039;t interest me any longer.  I thumb through them occasionally, or purchase one issue per year, just to see what they&#039;re doing.  Kinda like the annual phone call to an old dear friend with whom you no longer have anything in common.

Retconning the marriage away won&#039;t get me to start buying them again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I don’t think this is about making Spider-Man someone teens can relate to at all. I think it’s about giving older men (the 40 year old superhero fan of much ballyhoo) some kind of thrill in imagining that they’re not only a a hero, but also young and single and carefree. Double your vicarious thrills! Something that only makes the books that much more unappealing to me.&#8221;</p>
<p>If by &#8220;older men,&#8221; you mean Joe. Q, I&#8217;ll go along with that.  Otherwise, the &#8220;aging fanboy&#8221; argument is just as stupid and shallow today as it was when it became &#8220;cool&#8221; a few years ago.</p>
<p>As a 39-yr old, I stopped reading all the SPIDER-MAN titles 15+ years ago because they didn&#8217;t interest me any longer.  I thumb through them occasionally, or purchase one issue per year, just to see what they&#8217;re doing.  Kinda like the annual phone call to an old dear friend with whom you no longer have anything in common.</p>
<p>Retconning the marriage away won&#8217;t get me to start buying them again.</p>
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		<title>By: bizarro</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2007/12/06/one-less-wife/#comment-27143</link>
		<dc:creator>bizarro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2007 16:41:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>you&#039;d think with all the social, political, and religious rhetoric being tossed about these days about marriage. Perhaps Joe Q should not have done a story where Spider-Man makes a deal with the devil to erase the bonds of his vows?

For Marvel&#039;s sake, I hope the last issue of One More Day does not hit on a slow news day or hit the radar conservative pundit shows.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you&#8217;d think with all the social, political, and religious rhetoric being tossed about these days about marriage. Perhaps Joe Q should not have done a story where Spider-Man makes a deal with the devil to erase the bonds of his vows?</p>
<p>For Marvel&#8217;s sake, I hope the last issue of One More Day does not hit on a slow news day or hit the radar conservative pundit shows.</p>
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		<title>By: ProfHeff</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2007/12/06/one-less-wife/#comment-27142</link>
		<dc:creator>ProfHeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2007 15:51:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well.......there goes Spider-Girl......</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well&#8230;&#8230;.there goes Spider-Girl&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Richard J. Marcej</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2007/12/06/one-less-wife/#comment-27141</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard J. Marcej</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2007 14:23:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is all just one elaborate issue of &quot;What If&quot;, right?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is all just one elaborate issue of &#8220;What If&#8221;, right?</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Spence</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2007/12/06/one-less-wife/#comment-27140</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Spence</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2007 12:50:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I completely agree with Joe.  Spidey is more fun and kids can relate to him better when he&#039;s single.  You say that whole generations of kids grew up with him as a married guy.  I say that most kids in this country know Spider-man from the movies (where he&#039;s not married) or from Ultimate Spider-man or the Spidey books for kids, where he&#039;s not married.  Sam Raimi and Brian Michael Bendis both knew that it was better for Spidey to be young, single, and full of problems.  Once he married a supermodel, got famous as a photographer, etc, who could relate to him?  I seriously lost interest after he got married, and I always loved the character.

Good for Joe, I&#039;m all for it.  Now if they can just get him back in high school...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I completely agree with Joe.  Spidey is more fun and kids can relate to him better when he&#8217;s single.  You say that whole generations of kids grew up with him as a married guy.  I say that most kids in this country know Spider-man from the movies (where he&#8217;s not married) or from Ultimate Spider-man or the Spidey books for kids, where he&#8217;s not married.  Sam Raimi and Brian Michael Bendis both knew that it was better for Spidey to be young, single, and full of problems.  Once he married a supermodel, got famous as a photographer, etc, who could relate to him?  I seriously lost interest after he got married, and I always loved the character.</p>
<p>Good for Joe, I&#8217;m all for it.  Now if they can just get him back in high school&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Tag</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2007/12/06/one-less-wife/#comment-27139</link>
		<dc:creator>Tag</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2007 11:55:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve skimmed these books in the store, and what doesn&#039;t square about the newest ish that Peter is presented with two (some would say up to four) alternative versions of his life had he not become Spidey, and while they have their advantages, they still kinda SUCK.  I know he&#039;s wracked with guilt as usual, but really, he&#039;s gone through the trauma of losing May (albeit her clone, GACK) once already, so this isn&#039;t covering any new turf.  Sack up and cut the umbilical cord.

BTW, the exterior shots for &lt;i&gt;How To Murder Your Wife&lt;/i&gt; were filmed on the block on which I grew up, albeit ten years before I was born.  I just saw a bit of it on TV a couple weeks ago and it&#039;s a scream.  From what I gather from its IMDB entry it&#039;s a remake of an Italian film which also starred Lisi, though in that version her character was meant to be Greek.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve skimmed these books in the store, and what doesn&#8217;t square about the newest ish that Peter is presented with two (some would say up to four) alternative versions of his life had he not become Spidey, and while they have their advantages, they still kinda SUCK.  I know he&#8217;s wracked with guilt as usual, but really, he&#8217;s gone through the trauma of losing May (albeit her clone, GACK) once already, so this isn&#8217;t covering any new turf.  Sack up and cut the umbilical cord.</p>
<p>BTW, the exterior shots for <i>How To Murder Your Wife</i> were filmed on the block on which I grew up, albeit ten years before I was born.  I just saw a bit of it on TV a couple weeks ago and it&#8217;s a scream.  From what I gather from its IMDB entry it&#8217;s a remake of an Italian film which also starred Lisi, though in that version her character was meant to be Greek.</p>
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		<title>By: Andre</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2007/12/06/one-less-wife/#comment-27138</link>
		<dc:creator>Andre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2007 11:38:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess we&#039;ll always have Spidergirl.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess we&#8217;ll always have Spidergirl.</p>
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