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		<title>By: There was a database connection error.</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2007/09/04/the-righteous-anger-of-chris-butcher/#comment-22299</link>
		<dc:creator>There was a database connection error.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2007 03:53:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The Righteous Anger of Chris Butcher [...]</description>
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		<title>By: hot guy sex</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2007 04:41:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: comics212 - never safe for work. &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Sidetracked: Let&#8217;s talk about comics shops.</title>
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		<dc:creator>comics212 - never safe for work. &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Sidetracked: Let&#8217;s talk about comics shops.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2007 13:52:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Seriously though, I&#8217;m in Japan, everything&#8217;s goddamned awesome. I don&#8217;t even have an angry bone in my body at this point, let alone a righteously angry one (and for those of you who don&#8217;t know what I&#8217;m talking about, click here). [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Seriously though, I&#8217;m in Japan, everything&#8217;s goddamned awesome. I don&#8217;t even have an angry bone in my body at this point, let alone a righteously angry one (and for those of you who don&#8217;t know what I&#8217;m talking about, click here). [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Journalista - the news weblog of The Comics Journal &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Sept. 6, 2007: Heidi in the bubble</title>
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		<dc:creator>Journalista - the news weblog of The Comics Journal &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Sept. 6, 2007: Heidi in the bubble</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Sep 2007 13:12:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] &#8220;We sell a pretty disproportionate share of books outside the direct market: probably between 60/40 and 70/30 these days.&#8221; - Fantagraphics marketing manager Eric Reynolds [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] &#8220;We sell a pretty disproportionate share of books outside the direct market: probably between 60/40 and 70/30 these days.&#8221; &#8211; Fantagraphics marketing manager Eric Reynolds [...]</p>
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		<title>By: rododom</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2007/09/04/the-righteous-anger-of-chris-butcher/#comment-22295</link>
		<dc:creator>rododom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Sep 2007 19:02:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John Byrne (a great man that many of you crusaders have mocked) clearly beleives that superheroes done RIGHT are the future of the comic book industry...not some black and white adult drivel.

The industry needs more great men like John Byrne.

God I love that man!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John Byrne (a great man that many of you crusaders have mocked) clearly beleives that superheroes done RIGHT are the future of the comic book industry&#8230;not some black and white adult drivel.</p>
<p>The industry needs more great men like John Byrne.</p>
<p>God I love that man!</p>
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		<title>By: badMike</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2007/09/04/the-righteous-anger-of-chris-butcher/#comment-22294</link>
		<dc:creator>badMike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Sep 2007 17:10:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;They ordered a Naruto book and it sat on the shelf for months.&quot;

I love that! I have an image of a store owner boldly claiming &quot;Ok, We&#039;re going to have to start branching out into this manga stuff!&quot; Then buys just one copy of Naruto, which never sells, then declares &quot;Well, that didn&#039;t work out.&quot;

Probably not what happened, but that&#039;s my image.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;They ordered a Naruto book and it sat on the shelf for months.&#8221;</p>
<p>I love that! I have an image of a store owner boldly claiming &#8220;Ok, We&#8217;re going to have to start branching out into this manga stuff!&#8221; Then buys just one copy of Naruto, which never sells, then declares &#8220;Well, that didn&#8217;t work out.&#8221;</p>
<p>Probably not what happened, but that&#8217;s my image.</p>
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		<title>By: Torsten Adair</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2007/09/04/the-righteous-anger-of-chris-butcher/#comment-22293</link>
		<dc:creator>Torsten Adair</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Sep 2007 16:34:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1.  I, a B&amp;N employee, peruse Previews to see what books are on the horizon. When I spent $100 a week at Big Planet Comics, I would special order 20+items a month.
2. Joel and the other Big Planet stores GET IT. His Bethesda store is a textbook. Manga and comicstrip books up front by the door. Kids titles by the resister. Marvel then DC in the front, and indies and adult (carefully covered) titles in the back. One small back issue bin, a few glass cases, and a bench for parents with a few magazines. ALL in a strip mall with a ten foot store front.
3. Any smart retailer can expirement with returnable product. Put up a display, track sales for three months, and transfer reorders to Diamond if that saves money.
4. The retailer should be reading Previews cover to cover. Smart retailers should be reading everything trade related.
5. Where is there a top ten list for Graphic Novels? Heidi? Calvin? PW does all sorts of other lists. Or can someone post BookScan data? Until then, bn.com gives rankings.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1.  I, a B&amp;N employee, peruse Previews to see what books are on the horizon. When I spent $100 a week at Big Planet Comics, I would special order 20+items a month.<br />
2. Joel and the other Big Planet stores GET IT. His Bethesda store is a textbook. Manga and comicstrip books up front by the door. Kids titles by the resister. Marvel then DC in the front, and indies and adult (carefully covered) titles in the back. One small back issue bin, a few glass cases, and a bench for parents with a few magazines. ALL in a strip mall with a ten foot store front.<br />
3. Any smart retailer can expirement with returnable product. Put up a display, track sales for three months, and transfer reorders to Diamond if that saves money.<br />
4. The retailer should be reading Previews cover to cover. Smart retailers should be reading everything trade related.<br />
5. Where is there a top ten list for Graphic Novels? Heidi? Calvin? PW does all sorts of other lists. Or can someone post BookScan data? Until then, bn.com gives rankings.</p>
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		<title>By: Dagwan</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2007/09/04/the-righteous-anger-of-chris-butcher/#comment-22292</link>
		<dc:creator>Dagwan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Sep 2007 15:58:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Have all of you people who talk about what &quot;most comic shops&quot; carry ever BEEN to &quot;most comic shops&quot;?

No?

Then please stop using that phrase.

I pointed out in the Beat&#039;s original blog post that I carry a bunch of indy stuff. There are 3 other comics stores in town, and as much as I don&#039;t agree with many of their operating practices, they all carry SOME level of indy comics. That&#039;s 4 different stores, with 4 different business models, 4 different approaches to merchandising, 4 different clientèles, all carrying at least some indy stuff.

I can say most comics stores *in my area* are indy-friendly. I can&#039;t speak for the rest of the country.

Neither should you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have all of you people who talk about what &#8220;most comic shops&#8221; carry ever BEEN to &#8220;most comic shops&#8221;?</p>
<p>No?</p>
<p>Then please stop using that phrase.</p>
<p>I pointed out in the Beat&#8217;s original blog post that I carry a bunch of indy stuff. There are 3 other comics stores in town, and as much as I don&#8217;t agree with many of their operating practices, they all carry SOME level of indy comics. That&#8217;s 4 different stores, with 4 different business models, 4 different approaches to merchandising, 4 different clientèles, all carrying at least some indy stuff.</p>
<p>I can say most comics stores *in my area* are indy-friendly. I can&#8217;t speak for the rest of the country.</p>
<p>Neither should you.</p>
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		<title>By: Malus</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2007/09/04/the-righteous-anger-of-chris-butcher/#comment-22291</link>
		<dc:creator>Malus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Sep 2007 14:27:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rick Rottman said:&quot;Do college kids attending a state college have money each month for $10 - $20 art comics?&quot;

If by &quot;$10-$20 art comics&quot; you mean a LOVE &amp; ROCKETS trade paperback, then yes, any college with an art department will have at least a dozen or more students who will regularly spend money in your store.

That&#039;s why a disproportionate number of &quot;diversified&quot; stores are found in places like Athens, GA (Wuxtry&#039;s), Nashville (The Great Escape) and Berkeley (Comic Relief).

I would never open a shop in a non-college, non-metropolitan area and go whole hog with the independents. That would be suicide.
But I&#039;d certainly maintain a small section of &quot;the other stuff,&quot; no matter where my shop was.

Otherwise, I may as well be opening a video store that rents only action flicks.
It might succeed, but it wouldn&#039;t be a full-fledged movie store.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rick Rottman said:&#8221;Do college kids attending a state college have money each month for $10 &#8211; $20 art comics?&#8221;</p>
<p>If by &#8220;$10-$20 art comics&#8221; you mean a LOVE &amp; ROCKETS trade paperback, then yes, any college with an art department will have at least a dozen or more students who will regularly spend money in your store.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s why a disproportionate number of &#8220;diversified&#8221; stores are found in places like Athens, GA (Wuxtry&#8217;s), Nashville (The Great Escape) and Berkeley (Comic Relief).</p>
<p>I would never open a shop in a non-college, non-metropolitan area and go whole hog with the independents. That would be suicide.<br />
But I&#8217;d certainly maintain a small section of &#8220;the other stuff,&#8221; no matter where my shop was.</p>
<p>Otherwise, I may as well be opening a video store that rents only action flicks.<br />
It might succeed, but it wouldn&#8217;t be a full-fledged movie store.</p>
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		<title>By: Rick Rottman</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2007/09/04/the-righteous-anger-of-chris-butcher/#comment-22290</link>
		<dc:creator>Rick Rottman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Sep 2007 11:19:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My only point in bringing up the Diamond top 300 list is to show that there are a lot of comic book retailers that aren&#039;t ordering Fantagraphics.  I normally don&#039;t put much stock in these monthly lists, but that’s because people insist on using them as a gauge to show what customers are buying each month.  These lists don’t show that.  They only show what retailers are ordering each month.  They don’t show what people are actually buying.

With that in mind, it’s apparent that a lot of comic book retailers aren’t ordering books published by Fantagraphics.  Why then pick on this specific retailer?  Because his shop is in the same state as Fantagraphics?  Because his shop is in a college town?  Do college kids attending a state college have money each month for $10 - $20 art comics?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My only point in bringing up the Diamond top 300 list is to show that there are a lot of comic book retailers that aren&#8217;t ordering Fantagraphics.  I normally don&#8217;t put much stock in these monthly lists, but that’s because people insist on using them as a gauge to show what customers are buying each month.  These lists don’t show that.  They only show what retailers are ordering each month.  They don’t show what people are actually buying.</p>
<p>With that in mind, it’s apparent that a lot of comic book retailers aren’t ordering books published by Fantagraphics.  Why then pick on this specific retailer?  Because his shop is in the same state as Fantagraphics?  Because his shop is in a college town?  Do college kids attending a state college have money each month for $10 &#8211; $20 art comics?</p>
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		<title>By: Rakarich</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2007/09/04/the-righteous-anger-of-chris-butcher/#comment-22289</link>
		<dc:creator>Rakarich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Sep 2007 11:06:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The thing I wonder about is...  It&#039;s been about a week, has Fantagraphics contacted the retailer yet (to make the sale) or is posting on the internet taking up all of the free time? ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The thing I wonder about is&#8230;  It&#8217;s been about a week, has Fantagraphics contacted the retailer yet (to make the sale) or is posting on the internet taking up all of the free time? ;)</p>
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		<title>By: Jamie Coville</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2007/09/04/the-righteous-anger-of-chris-butcher/#comment-22288</link>
		<dc:creator>Jamie Coville</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Sep 2007 10:41:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eric: Yes that is true. B&amp;T has become a source of books for the DM - because it costs less or about the same and there is returnability.

IIRC Diamond offers 45% off, minus 3% reorder penalty (which makes it a little less than 42%) then charges shipping on the books, which can bring it down to 40% or less.

B&amp;T is a flat 40% with free shipping and returnability.

Plus there is the feel good factor of giving Diamond some competition. Which is a plus for those who much enjoyed the times of multiple distributors competing for their money by offering better discounts and services. Some folks really want to encourge that to happen again.

Stores probably should be using a bookstore distributor anyhow. Last time I checked, Diamond doesn&#039;t carry Tin Tin or Asterix books. Nor do they carry a lot of comic strip collections like Calvin &amp; Hobbes, Farside, etc.. And some Manga books (if they sell them) come from bookstore distributors quicker than the DM. Not to mention prose books by a number of popular comic writers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eric: Yes that is true. B&amp;T has become a source of books for the DM &#8211; because it costs less or about the same and there is returnability.</p>
<p>IIRC Diamond offers 45% off, minus 3% reorder penalty (which makes it a little less than 42%) then charges shipping on the books, which can bring it down to 40% or less.</p>
<p>B&amp;T is a flat 40% with free shipping and returnability.</p>
<p>Plus there is the feel good factor of giving Diamond some competition. Which is a plus for those who much enjoyed the times of multiple distributors competing for their money by offering better discounts and services. Some folks really want to encourge that to happen again.</p>
<p>Stores probably should be using a bookstore distributor anyhow. Last time I checked, Diamond doesn&#8217;t carry Tin Tin or Asterix books. Nor do they carry a lot of comic strip collections like Calvin &amp; Hobbes, Farside, etc.. And some Manga books (if they sell them) come from bookstore distributors quicker than the DM. Not to mention prose books by a number of popular comic writers.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Reynolds</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2007/09/04/the-righteous-anger-of-chris-butcher/#comment-22287</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric Reynolds</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Sep 2007 04:14:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jamie, I believe many retailers can buy our books from returnable distributors like Ingram or B&amp;T at about the same discount they get from Diamond. Retailers who are reading can correct me if I&#039;m wrong. Either way, most retailers can get a better discount from a number of sources than Diamond gives them, including straight from us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jamie, I believe many retailers can buy our books from returnable distributors like Ingram or B&amp;T at about the same discount they get from Diamond. Retailers who are reading can correct me if I&#8217;m wrong. Either way, most retailers can get a better discount from a number of sources than Diamond gives them, including straight from us.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Reynolds</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2007/09/04/the-righteous-anger-of-chris-butcher/#comment-22286</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric Reynolds</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Sep 2007 04:11:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rak said &quot;I guess the real question isn’t &#039;why aren’t all comic shop owners aware of Fantagraphics (or any other small publisher)?&#039; … but rather &#039;why isn’t the buying public aware of Fantagraphics?&#039;&quot;

Not really, because the buying public is aware. We sell a pretty disproportionate share of books outside the direct market: probably between 60/40 and 70/30 these days.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rak said &#8220;I guess the real question isn’t &#8216;why aren’t all comic shop owners aware of Fantagraphics (or any other small publisher)?&#8217; … but rather &#8216;why isn’t the buying public aware of Fantagraphics?&#8217;&#8221;</p>
<p>Not really, because the buying public is aware. We sell a pretty disproportionate share of books outside the direct market: probably between 60/40 and 70/30 these days.</p>
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		<title>By: Jamie Coville</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2007/09/04/the-righteous-anger-of-chris-butcher/#comment-22284</link>
		<dc:creator>Jamie Coville</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Sep 2007 02:21:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eric: &quot;It also would eliminate any need for returnability, which I believe just about every comic shop owner in America is clamoring for.&quot;

I don&#039;t think so. What retailers want most is deeper discounts. Returnability means A) smaller discounts and B) More work - in having to remember which books came out 3 months ago and physically package them up and mail them (which costs time and money they&#039;d rather not spend).

Returnability is great if it doesn&#039;t cost them anything (or very little) and especially something like a new weekly comic series where they have to order 12 of them before they know how it&#039;s going to sell. It would probably also be good on the first few issues of a new series, just so they can order lots and find it&#039;s upper most sales level. But after that, the series numbers aren&#039;t likely to go up unless a new popular creative team jumps on and they typically have previous sales numbers to guess with in those situations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eric: &#8220;It also would eliminate any need for returnability, which I believe just about every comic shop owner in America is clamoring for.&#8221;</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think so. What retailers want most is deeper discounts. Returnability means A) smaller discounts and B) More work &#8211; in having to remember which books came out 3 months ago and physically package them up and mail them (which costs time and money they&#8217;d rather not spend).</p>
<p>Returnability is great if it doesn&#8217;t cost them anything (or very little) and especially something like a new weekly comic series where they have to order 12 of them before they know how it&#8217;s going to sell. It would probably also be good on the first few issues of a new series, just so they can order lots and find it&#8217;s upper most sales level. But after that, the series numbers aren&#8217;t likely to go up unless a new popular creative team jumps on and they typically have previous sales numbers to guess with in those situations.</p>
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