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		<title>By: Taryn Passmore</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2007/07/18/batgirl-times-change/#comment-114907</link>
		<dc:creator>Taryn Passmore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Oct 2011 08:59:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Heya i’m for the first time here. I found this board and I find It truly useful &amp; it helped me out much. I hope to give something back and aid others like you helped me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heya i’m for the first time here. I found this board and I find It truly useful &amp; it helped me out much. I hope to give something back and aid others like you helped me.</p>
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		<title>By: Rod1Million</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2007/07/18/batgirl-times-change/#comment-20138</link>
		<dc:creator>Rod1Million</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Sep 2007 05:59:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SHOWCASE PRESENTS: BATGIRL  IS GENIUS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ITS CAMP , JUST LIKE THE TV AND COMICS STORIES WERE! IT TOLD ME ...S#IT ! DC GETS IT!!!  ALL OF YOU THAT ARE COMPLAINING ABOUT IT ..DONT GET IT...BUT I UNDERSTAND YOUR PAIN...THATS WHY THERE SHOULD BE VARIANT COVERS SO EVERYONE WINS!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SHOWCASE PRESENTS: BATGIRL  IS GENIUS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ITS CAMP , JUST LIKE THE TV AND COMICS STORIES WERE! IT TOLD ME &#8230;S#IT ! DC GETS IT!!!  ALL OF YOU THAT ARE COMPLAINING ABOUT IT ..DONT GET IT&#8230;BUT I UNDERSTAND YOUR PAIN&#8230;THATS WHY THERE SHOULD BE VARIANT COVERS SO EVERYONE WINS!</p>
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		<title>By: Rjackson</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2007/07/18/batgirl-times-change/#comment-20137</link>
		<dc:creator>Rjackson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jul 2007 01:10:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I’m just kind of bewildered there’s not one editor at DC that thought perhaps the cover might ruffle a few feathers.&quot;

&quot;If it’s not active sexism, it’s certainly active stupidity.&quot;

Or active press-grabbing.

To be honest, I hadn&#039;t even seen the cover until Heidi posted it.  I thought the cover they were going with was the debut cover from Detective which, obviously, would have been the wiser move.

I agree it is a completely bone-headed move to use this image as the cover, even considering the idea that it&#039;s &quot;representative&quot; of the interior stories (which it really isn&#039;t.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I’m just kind of bewildered there’s not one editor at DC that thought perhaps the cover might ruffle a few feathers.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;If it’s not active sexism, it’s certainly active stupidity.&#8221;</p>
<p>Or active press-grabbing.</p>
<p>To be honest, I hadn&#8217;t even seen the cover until Heidi posted it.  I thought the cover they were going with was the debut cover from Detective which, obviously, would have been the wiser move.</p>
<p>I agree it is a completely bone-headed move to use this image as the cover, even considering the idea that it&#8217;s &#8220;representative&#8221; of the interior stories (which it really isn&#8217;t.)</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2007/07/18/batgirl-times-change/#comment-20136</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2007 22:22:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Tom Stillwell Says:


I’m just kind of bewildered there’s not one editor at DC that thought perhaps the cover might ruffle a few feathers.

Or perhaps cared enough to not use the cover.

Either way.&quot;

That&#039;s what gets me, really. They have, what, a good 20-30 covers to choose from, and this is the one they pick? If it&#039;s not active sexism, it&#039;s certainly active stupidity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Tom Stillwell Says:</p>
<p>I’m just kind of bewildered there’s not one editor at DC that thought perhaps the cover might ruffle a few feathers.</p>
<p>Or perhaps cared enough to not use the cover.</p>
<p>Either way.&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s what gets me, really. They have, what, a good 20-30 covers to choose from, and this is the one they pick? If it&#8217;s not active sexism, it&#8217;s certainly active stupidity.</p>
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		<title>By: Sphinx Magoo</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2007/07/18/batgirl-times-change/#comment-20135</link>
		<dc:creator>Sphinx Magoo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2007 21:15:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know, I was thinking of picking this volume up until I saw the cover. I think I&#039;ll wait until the second printing comes out with something on the cover that I won&#039;t have to be embarassed to show the missus and kids.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know, I was thinking of picking this volume up until I saw the cover. I think I&#8217;ll wait until the second printing comes out with something on the cover that I won&#8217;t have to be embarassed to show the missus and kids.</p>
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		<title>By: Christopher Moonlight</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2007/07/18/batgirl-times-change/#comment-20134</link>
		<dc:creator>Christopher Moonlight</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2007 20:19:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...and yes, over all, the Batman: Animated Series version is better. I never would dispute that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;and yes, over all, the Batman: Animated Series version is better. I never would dispute that.</p>
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		<title>By: Christopher Moonlight</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2007/07/18/batgirl-times-change/#comment-20133</link>
		<dc:creator>Christopher Moonlight</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2007 20:15:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;No, I don’t need to interact with young people to “open my eyes.” And I don’t need to be talked down to. Although you might go back and reread your comments and apply them to that stereotypical “old school” line.&quot;

Rich, as I said before, &quot;Please, don’t take that as a jab. It’s not meant as one.&quot; I really meant that, but I&#039;m sorry if I offended you. Also, I&#039;m not saying anything bad about old school. I love the Animated  Series. I know that it&#039;s really good, but I also know that it&#039;s a throwback to old school and that is what made it good. When I fallowed your link, I likewise saw the kind of art and comics you are into. I wasn&#039;t talking down to you, any more then &quot;Argh. Prepare the bamboo shoots, tie his wrists&quot; was talking down to me, or at least I didn&#039;t take it that way. All I was saying is that (I strongly feel) it&#039;s wrong to dismiss young people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;No, I don’t need to interact with young people to “open my eyes.” And I don’t need to be talked down to. Although you might go back and reread your comments and apply them to that stereotypical “old school” line.&#8221;</p>
<p>Rich, as I said before, &#8220;Please, don’t take that as a jab. It’s not meant as one.&#8221; I really meant that, but I&#8217;m sorry if I offended you. Also, I&#8217;m not saying anything bad about old school. I love the Animated  Series. I know that it&#8217;s really good, but I also know that it&#8217;s a throwback to old school and that is what made it good. When I fallowed your link, I likewise saw the kind of art and comics you are into. I wasn&#8217;t talking down to you, any more then &#8220;Argh. Prepare the bamboo shoots, tie his wrists&#8221; was talking down to me, or at least I didn&#8217;t take it that way. All I was saying is that (I strongly feel) it&#8217;s wrong to dismiss young people.</p>
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		<title>By: It Seems to Me&#8230; &#171; In One Ear&#8230;</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2007/07/18/batgirl-times-change/#comment-20132</link>
		<dc:creator>It Seems to Me&#8230; &#171; In One Ear&#8230;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2007 18:51:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] as a creative explosion ready to be unleashed&#8221;    &#171; Slimy&#160;Monsters&#8230;    It Seems to&#160;Me&#8230; July 19th, 2007   A better cover for that Batgirl Collection everyone is talking about would beBatgirl adjusting her make-up&#8230; while sitting atop a pile unconscious thugs. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] as a creative explosion ready to be unleashed&#8221;    &laquo; Slimy&nbsp;Monsters&#8230;    It Seems to&nbsp;Me&#8230; July 19th, 2007   A better cover for that Batgirl Collection everyone is talking about would beBatgirl adjusting her make-up&#8230; while sitting atop a pile unconscious thugs. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: rich</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2007/07/18/batgirl-times-change/#comment-20131</link>
		<dc:creator>rich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2007 17:29:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“I don’t teach teenagers, and don’t find them to be … Each his own.”

&quot;Nor do many “old school” types. I consider it a prejudice that comes from people being set in a lifetime of ways. Please, don’t take that as a jab. It’s not meant as one ...&quot;

No, I don&#039;t need to interact with young people to &quot;open my eyes.&quot;  And I don&#039;t need to be talked down to.  Although you might go back and reread your comments and apply them to that stereotypical &quot;old school&quot; line.

And the Batman: Animated Series version is better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“I don’t teach teenagers, and don’t find them to be … Each his own.”</p>
<p>&#8220;Nor do many “old school” types. I consider it a prejudice that comes from people being set in a lifetime of ways. Please, don’t take that as a jab. It’s not meant as one &#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>No, I don&#8217;t need to interact with young people to &#8220;open my eyes.&#8221;  And I don&#8217;t need to be talked down to.  Although you might go back and reread your comments and apply them to that stereotypical &#8220;old school&#8221; line.</p>
<p>And the Batman: Animated Series version is better.</p>
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		<title>By: Marionette</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2007/07/18/batgirl-times-change/#comment-20130</link>
		<dc:creator>Marionette</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2007 15:39:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;What amuses me about this is that I basically have no knowledge of Barbara Gordon pre-Oracle, but her characterization as Oracle (read: at any given time, the smartest person in the room) just made me think “Oh, she’s just going to let Batman and Robin finish doing something stupid, then save their asses.”&quot;

You win all my internets!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;What amuses me about this is that I basically have no knowledge of Barbara Gordon pre-Oracle, but her characterization as Oracle (read: at any given time, the smartest person in the room) just made me think “Oh, she’s just going to let Batman and Robin finish doing something stupid, then save their asses.”&#8221;</p>
<p>You win all my internets!</p>
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		<title>By: BradyDale</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2007/07/18/batgirl-times-change/#comment-20129</link>
		<dc:creator>BradyDale</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2007 14:22:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, yes, that&#039;s what it&#039;s about. I think the big johnson at the top of the post just confused me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, yes, that&#8217;s what it&#8217;s about. I think the big johnson at the top of the post just confused me.</p>
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		<title>By: BradyDale</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2007/07/18/batgirl-times-change/#comment-20128</link>
		<dc:creator>BradyDale</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2007 14:16:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Heidi, hey... Umm... I&#039;m not sure what the heck you are talking about? The subject of this post is not in it. Is there a flap about the new cover of the Batgirl Showcase book or something? Maybe the answer is in the previous 42 comments, but I did not read them for that. I would understand this much better if I knew what was under discussion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heidi, hey&#8230; Umm&#8230; I&#8217;m not sure what the heck you are talking about? The subject of this post is not in it. Is there a flap about the new cover of the Batgirl Showcase book or something? Maybe the answer is in the previous 42 comments, but I did not read them for that. I would understand this much better if I knew what was under discussion.</p>
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		<title>By: AERose</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2007/07/18/batgirl-times-change/#comment-20127</link>
		<dc:creator>AERose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2007 09:15:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What amuses me about this is that I basically have no knowledge of Barbara Gordon pre-Oracle, but her characterization as Oracle (read: at any given time, the smartest person in the room) just made me think &quot;Oh, she&#039;s just going to let Batman and Robin finish doing something stupid, then save their asses.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What amuses me about this is that I basically have no knowledge of Barbara Gordon pre-Oracle, but her characterization as Oracle (read: at any given time, the smartest person in the room) just made me think &#8220;Oh, she&#8217;s just going to let Batman and Robin finish doing something stupid, then save their asses.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: The Dude</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2007/07/18/batgirl-times-change/#comment-20126</link>
		<dc:creator>The Dude</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2007 07:04:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;We sold two copies, both to women. Both women were very excited to see a huge book of Batgirl tales and neither offered any worry about the cover. I don’t know what to make of it.&quot;

That there is still SOME sanity left in the world.

Oh, I&#039;m sorry, that&#039;s just what I make of your story. ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;We sold two copies, both to women. Both women were very excited to see a huge book of Batgirl tales and neither offered any worry about the cover. I don’t know what to make of it.&#8221;</p>
<p>That there is still SOME sanity left in the world.</p>
<p>Oh, I&#8217;m sorry, that&#8217;s just what I make of your story. ;)</p>
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		<title>By: howard</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2007/07/18/batgirl-times-change/#comment-20125</link>
		<dc:creator>howard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2007 06:32:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Speaking of Jack Chick, here is something you will definitely dig the most: www.316now.com has a bunch of short films based on actual Jack Chick tracts.  Like &quot;Doom Town&quot; and &quot;Party Girl&quot; and &quot;Bewitched?&quot;  You will get a big laugh!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Speaking of Jack Chick, here is something you will definitely dig the most: <a href="http://www.316now.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.316now.com</a> has a bunch of short films based on actual Jack Chick tracts.  Like &#8220;Doom Town&#8221; and &#8220;Party Girl&#8221; and &#8220;Bewitched?&#8221;  You will get a big laugh!</p>
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