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		<title>By: plunge</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2007/07/15/potterdammerung/#comment-19943</link>
		<dc:creator>plunge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jul 2007 02:44:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re a madman: book 5 was second only to book 3.  Harry&#039;s last bit of being a pratt is all part of the scope of the story, and unlike parts of book 4, I think it really DOES justify its scope with a real epic of wonderful color and sidestory.  It will age well.

Not so the 5th movie.  It needed a screenwriter to distill a core set of events and not try to simply cliff note everything, but instead it got a series of rushed cuts with dialog full of the very sort of painful cliches that Rowling as a writer has mostly been able to avoid.  Only the scenes with Luna really worked for me.

The Cho thing is just part and parcel of the sloppiness and laziness of the adaptation.  They wanted to change the story to fit the running WHICH IS OK, but they simply don&#039;t seem to have cared if what they changed it to made any sense or was any good.  This was my big problem with most of the changes to the LOTR movies as well: I don&#039;t mind changing things because its an adaptation to another medium.  But make sure what you change it to is not into cliches and careless nonsense.

The comment about the Death Booers is right on.  Lots of time and money giving them silly &quot;flying&quot; powers that pretty much do not fit with the stories or anything in any of the movies (why use brooms if anyone can just careen around as a thundercloud?) and almost no time establishing them as truly vicious and scary.  And the change to how the DA initially escapes the first encounter is senseless: having the DA smash the prophecies and unleash chaos as a distraction is something built for a movie... and instead it was replaced with... well nothing: they shoot some spells and the shelves later crash by accident, with no droning ghosts speaking incoherent predictions.  Why?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re a madman: book 5 was second only to book 3.  Harry&#8217;s last bit of being a pratt is all part of the scope of the story, and unlike parts of book 4, I think it really DOES justify its scope with a real epic of wonderful color and sidestory.  It will age well.</p>
<p>Not so the 5th movie.  It needed a screenwriter to distill a core set of events and not try to simply cliff note everything, but instead it got a series of rushed cuts with dialog full of the very sort of painful cliches that Rowling as a writer has mostly been able to avoid.  Only the scenes with Luna really worked for me.</p>
<p>The Cho thing is just part and parcel of the sloppiness and laziness of the adaptation.  They wanted to change the story to fit the running WHICH IS OK, but they simply don&#8217;t seem to have cared if what they changed it to made any sense or was any good.  This was my big problem with most of the changes to the LOTR movies as well: I don&#8217;t mind changing things because its an adaptation to another medium.  But make sure what you change it to is not into cliches and careless nonsense.</p>
<p>The comment about the Death Booers is right on.  Lots of time and money giving them silly &#8220;flying&#8221; powers that pretty much do not fit with the stories or anything in any of the movies (why use brooms if anyone can just careen around as a thundercloud?) and almost no time establishing them as truly vicious and scary.  And the change to how the DA initially escapes the first encounter is senseless: having the DA smash the prophecies and unleash chaos as a distraction is something built for a movie&#8230; and instead it was replaced with&#8230; well nothing: they shoot some spells and the shelves later crash by accident, with no droning ghosts speaking incoherent predictions.  Why?</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Caldwell</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2007/07/15/potterdammerung/#comment-19942</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Caldwell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jul 2007 16:21:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I tried to post this back when the comments were down, hopefully it&#039;s not lost in the archives.

&lt;i&gt;This scene is one of the best literary fight scenes ever, and in the book, the kids are done real damage — broken bones, bad hexes. In the film they have a few scratches, but you miss the sense of real jeopardy and coming of age.&lt;/i&gt;

I have to agree, this was my biggest problem with the movie. It made the Death Eaters look more like &quot;Scare Eaters&quot; since they were more like people who lept out and said &quot;Boo!&quot; rather than treacherous killers. In the book, page 792 held the biggest shock in the series. Sure, it was resolved on the next page, but for a couple of minutes (depending on your reading speed ...) you could believe it was possible. In the movie, nothing. And yes, I wanted to see the brains; and the Death Eater&#039;s head growing and shrinking in time.

One other change they made didn&#039;t work for me, either. Making Cho the &quot;sneak,&quot; would have been fine. (Potentially troubling in a potentially misogynist way, if they&#039;d played her as a complete comression of Cho and Marietta in the book. Can&#039;t trust them dames and all. Very Mickey Spillane.) Unfortunately, they also chose to mitiagte her actions by having it result from a dose of Veritaserum. She had borne the shame and shunning of the entire group, and there&#039;s no scene, or even hint of forgiveness. I can&#039;t imagine they&#039;re going to address this in the next movie, but I really think it makes Harry look like a complete tool.

Overall, though, I liked the movie. I thought they compressed large segments of the school year effectively, and in particular, I found the &quot;Harry&#039;s Mind&quot; montages effective.

Personally, I can&#039;t imagine what it&#039;s like to watch the movies without the benefit of having read the books these days. I only started reading them after seeing the first movie (in the theater). Do they hold up as complete stories, or does it seem to those who don&#039;t read them that there is something missing? (And by that I mean from your perspective, not the perspective of your friend who *has* read them who&#039;s talking about what was cut/changed.)

For what little it&#039;s worth, I think I would like a &quot;Lived Happily Ever After&quot; ending. I don&#039;t really expect one, but as long as it is a believable ending, I&#039;ll welcome it. If Harry doesn&#039;t snuff it, then I think Ron &lt;b&gt;and&lt;/b&gt; Hermione do. (Or Ron does, and Hermione marries Viktor Krum - unless that counts as a happy ending.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I tried to post this back when the comments were down, hopefully it&#8217;s not lost in the archives.</p>
<p><i>This scene is one of the best literary fight scenes ever, and in the book, the kids are done real damage — broken bones, bad hexes. In the film they have a few scratches, but you miss the sense of real jeopardy and coming of age.</i></p>
<p>I have to agree, this was my biggest problem with the movie. It made the Death Eaters look more like &#8220;Scare Eaters&#8221; since they were more like people who lept out and said &#8220;Boo!&#8221; rather than treacherous killers. In the book, page 792 held the biggest shock in the series. Sure, it was resolved on the next page, but for a couple of minutes (depending on your reading speed &#8230;) you could believe it was possible. In the movie, nothing. And yes, I wanted to see the brains; and the Death Eater&#8217;s head growing and shrinking in time.</p>
<p>One other change they made didn&#8217;t work for me, either. Making Cho the &#8220;sneak,&#8221; would have been fine. (Potentially troubling in a potentially misogynist way, if they&#8217;d played her as a complete comression of Cho and Marietta in the book. Can&#8217;t trust them dames and all. Very Mickey Spillane.) Unfortunately, they also chose to mitiagte her actions by having it result from a dose of Veritaserum. She had borne the shame and shunning of the entire group, and there&#8217;s no scene, or even hint of forgiveness. I can&#8217;t imagine they&#8217;re going to address this in the next movie, but I really think it makes Harry look like a complete tool.</p>
<p>Overall, though, I liked the movie. I thought they compressed large segments of the school year effectively, and in particular, I found the &#8220;Harry&#8217;s Mind&#8221; montages effective.</p>
<p>Personally, I can&#8217;t imagine what it&#8217;s like to watch the movies without the benefit of having read the books these days. I only started reading them after seeing the first movie (in the theater). Do they hold up as complete stories, or does it seem to those who don&#8217;t read them that there is something missing? (And by that I mean from your perspective, not the perspective of your friend who *has* read them who&#8217;s talking about what was cut/changed.)</p>
<p>For what little it&#8217;s worth, I think I would like a &#8220;Lived Happily Ever After&#8221; ending. I don&#8217;t really expect one, but as long as it is a believable ending, I&#8217;ll welcome it. If Harry doesn&#8217;t snuff it, then I think Ron <b>and</b> Hermione do. (Or Ron does, and Hermione marries Viktor Krum &#8211; unless that counts as a happy ending.)</p>
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		<title>By: Christopher Moonlight</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2007/07/15/potterdammerung/#comment-19941</link>
		<dc:creator>Christopher Moonlight</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jul 2007 06:58:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I only have time to &quot;read&quot; the  last book on tape, in my car, but I&#039;m going to try and get through it as fast as I can. With over a hundred and fifty students (and most of them under 10) where I teach art, it&#039;s only a matter of time before one of them takes great pride in blurting out everything that happens in the last book. That&#039;s what happened last time. One of the little girls starts to talk about who dies in HBP, and not ten minutes after I tell her that I don&#039;t want to know, she yells it out like she&#039;ll die if she doesn&#039;t tell someone. You think spoilers on the web are hard to avoid?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I only have time to &#8220;read&#8221; the  last book on tape, in my car, but I&#8217;m going to try and get through it as fast as I can. With over a hundred and fifty students (and most of them under 10) where I teach art, it&#8217;s only a matter of time before one of them takes great pride in blurting out everything that happens in the last book. That&#8217;s what happened last time. One of the little girls starts to talk about who dies in HBP, and not ten minutes after I tell her that I don&#8217;t want to know, she yells it out like she&#8217;ll die if she doesn&#8217;t tell someone. You think spoilers on the web are hard to avoid?</p>
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		<title>By: Sphinx Magoo</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2007/07/15/potterdammerung/#comment-19940</link>
		<dc:creator>Sphinx Magoo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jul 2007 04:26:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My daughter and I have been joking about who gets to read the book first. If Book 6 was any indication, she may stop if it gets too scary or violent.

Personally, I think Harry may die, but come back to life in Aslan-like fashion! Then he&#039;ll give Voldemort a long lecture about how silly he&#039;s been acting.

;D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My daughter and I have been joking about who gets to read the book first. If Book 6 was any indication, she may stop if it gets too scary or violent.</p>
<p>Personally, I think Harry may die, but come back to life in Aslan-like fashion! Then he&#8217;ll give Voldemort a long lecture about how silly he&#8217;s been acting.</p>
<p>;D</p>
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		<title>By: r thompson</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2007/07/15/potterdammerung/#comment-19939</link>
		<dc:creator>r thompson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jul 2007 03:16:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very well said. I&#039;ll be sorry to see this end, much as I look forward to finally getting the last book. July 21st is my older daughter&#039;s 12th birthday, so the midnight party at the bookstore will be more of an occasion for us and more exciting. She&#039;s been hooked on them since age 5 when we read the first one aloud on a car trip.  And I know in a few years she&#039;ll move on to other things and be too old to care about Harry Potter any more. A teacher told me it usually hits around eighth grade, and I&#039;m not much looking forward to that.

In my family we&#039;ve each got complex theories of what&#039;ll happen, and to who and why. I&#039;m sure I&#039;ve got Snape&#039;s motivations figured out, I&#039;ve been sure of it for at least the last three books. But I&#039;m sure we&#039;ll be surprised, and I hope not too unpleasantly.

One other thing. These books are a joy to read aloud, over and over. Especially when you get just the right voice and accent for a character, and can ham it up a bit (I&#039;m a killer McGonagall &amp; Moody). And I&#039;m sure I&#039;m not the only adult reading it aloud who choked up at the end of number 6. I choked up at the end when I read To Kill a Mockingbird aloud, and A Christmas Carol, too.

Ah, I&#039;m a sucker for this stuff.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very well said. I&#8217;ll be sorry to see this end, much as I look forward to finally getting the last book. July 21st is my older daughter&#8217;s 12th birthday, so the midnight party at the bookstore will be more of an occasion for us and more exciting. She&#8217;s been hooked on them since age 5 when we read the first one aloud on a car trip.  And I know in a few years she&#8217;ll move on to other things and be too old to care about Harry Potter any more. A teacher told me it usually hits around eighth grade, and I&#8217;m not much looking forward to that.</p>
<p>In my family we&#8217;ve each got complex theories of what&#8217;ll happen, and to who and why. I&#8217;m sure I&#8217;ve got Snape&#8217;s motivations figured out, I&#8217;ve been sure of it for at least the last three books. But I&#8217;m sure we&#8217;ll be surprised, and I hope not too unpleasantly.</p>
<p>One other thing. These books are a joy to read aloud, over and over. Especially when you get just the right voice and accent for a character, and can ham it up a bit (I&#8217;m a killer McGonagall &amp; Moody). And I&#8217;m sure I&#8217;m not the only adult reading it aloud who choked up at the end of number 6. I choked up at the end when I read To Kill a Mockingbird aloud, and A Christmas Carol, too.</p>
<p>Ah, I&#8217;m a sucker for this stuff.</p>
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