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	<title>Comments on: The Spoiler: an examination</title>
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		<title>By: sjelly</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2007/06/29/the-spoiler-an-examination/#comment-19582</link>
		<dc:creator>sjelly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jul 2007 17:10:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Someone up above was kvetching about adults&#039; delight in Harry Potter and what he (she?) perceives as kids being manipulated.  I&#039;m a librarian and I can&#039;t begin to tell you what a joy HP is to me.  There a number of reasons for this but chief among them is this: children excited to the point of frenzy by READING BOOKS!!!!!!! Excuse the screaming, but given all the opportunities available for kids NOT to read, it moves me almost to tears everyday to talk to a child who has read all the thousands of pages of Potter several times over and would like other fantasy books, books about English public schools, books on alchemy, any damn book at all so long as it&#039;s at least as interesting as HP.  I&#039;ve had the inexpressible pleasure of introducing kids to LeGuin&#039;s Earthsea books, to Susan Cooper&#039;s Dark is Rising books, to Philip Pullman&#039;s His Dark Materials, to Eragon, Wind Singer, Lightning Thief and countless others all thanks to HP hysteria.  Long may it reign.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Someone up above was kvetching about adults&#8217; delight in Harry Potter and what he (she?) perceives as kids being manipulated.  I&#8217;m a librarian and I can&#8217;t begin to tell you what a joy HP is to me.  There a number of reasons for this but chief among them is this: children excited to the point of frenzy by READING BOOKS!!!!!!! Excuse the screaming, but given all the opportunities available for kids NOT to read, it moves me almost to tears everyday to talk to a child who has read all the thousands of pages of Potter several times over and would like other fantasy books, books about English public schools, books on alchemy, any damn book at all so long as it&#8217;s at least as interesting as HP.  I&#8217;ve had the inexpressible pleasure of introducing kids to LeGuin&#8217;s Earthsea books, to Susan Cooper&#8217;s Dark is Rising books, to Philip Pullman&#8217;s His Dark Materials, to Eragon, Wind Singer, Lightning Thief and countless others all thanks to HP hysteria.  Long may it reign.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Spence</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2007/06/29/the-spoiler-an-examination/#comment-19581</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Spence</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jul 2007 15:42:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Heidi, I COMPLETELY agree about the spoilers ruining the Sixth Sense.  If you know what&#039;s going to happen, that movie really sucks.  I know my old boss at the Comic Cubicle was pissed because I showed him the soundtrack to The Phantom Menace, which has a song title &quot;Qui Gon&#039;s Funeral&quot;.  He was trying to hard to avoid spoilers, too.  Wouldn&#039;t even watch the trailer.  I hadn&#039;t even noticed the song title until he mentioned it!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heidi, I COMPLETELY agree about the spoilers ruining the Sixth Sense.  If you know what&#8217;s going to happen, that movie really sucks.  I know my old boss at the Comic Cubicle was pissed because I showed him the soundtrack to The Phantom Menace, which has a song title &#8220;Qui Gon&#8217;s Funeral&#8221;.  He was trying to hard to avoid spoilers, too.  Wouldn&#8217;t even watch the trailer.  I hadn&#8217;t even noticed the song title until he mentioned it!!</p>
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		<title>By: charles foster kane</title>
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		<dc:creator>charles foster kane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jul 2007 02:22:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The talk of Presumed Innocent remains me of the Kids in the Hall sketch with Hecubus. &quot;EVIL~!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The talk of Presumed Innocent remains me of the Kids in the Hall sketch with Hecubus. &#8220;EVIL~!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Evan Waters</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2007/06/29/the-spoiler-an-examination/#comment-19579</link>
		<dc:creator>Evan Waters</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jun 2007 19:55:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I deal with most spoilers by deciding that they&#039;re lies. At one point a major humor website &quot;named&quot; the character who died in one of the HP books, everywhere on its front page and new articles, but of course, it was the wrong character. Unreliable spoilers often creep out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I deal with most spoilers by deciding that they&#8217;re lies. At one point a major humor website &#8220;named&#8221; the character who died in one of the HP books, everywhere on its front page and new articles, but of course, it was the wrong character. Unreliable spoilers often creep out.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Caldwell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Caldwell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jun 2007 14:45:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt; In the case of Presumed Innocent, I remember a radio host revealed the twist on-air shortly after the movie came out.&lt;/i&gt;

I have a hard time working up much outrage for this one. After all, the &lt;b&gt;book&lt;/b&gt; had been out for good while before the movie was made. I&#039;m treading into a whole different argument, though, right?

On the other hand, I do get annoyed when a magazine like &lt;i&gt;Entertainment Weekly&lt;/i&gt; casually spoils movies (and teevee shows, though I can&#039;t whine about that category as much), presuming everyone reading the magazine went out and saw it on opening weekend - much like the comment above about 12:01 Wednesday for comics.

Personally, I really, really don&#039;t want &lt;i&gt;Deathly Hallows&lt;/i&gt; spoiled right away, since I&#039;m going on the road on the 20th, and I&#039;ll have to scrounge a copy somewhere that weekend. I figure the longer I wait, the greater my chances are of getting spoiled.

In regards to the Midnight release, I agree with Dani. I did it once, with my sister and niece, for &lt;i&gt;Phoenix&lt;/i&gt;. Once was enough for me. But the appeal is something I can&#039;t disagree with. I just don&#039;t need it myself.

As for &quot;famous&quot; spoilers, I read that Peanuts strip as a kid. It did spoil the movie for me, but it also made the strip that much funnier. In regards to &quot;Psycho,&quot; I had it spoiled a couple of years before I saw it by &lt;b&gt;Donnie &quot;Ralph Malph&quot; Most&lt;/b&gt; on Happy Days. He spoils several movies the Cunninghams are thinking about seeing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i> In the case of Presumed Innocent, I remember a radio host revealed the twist on-air shortly after the movie came out.</i></p>
<p>I have a hard time working up much outrage for this one. After all, the <b>book</b> had been out for good while before the movie was made. I&#8217;m treading into a whole different argument, though, right?</p>
<p>On the other hand, I do get annoyed when a magazine like <i>Entertainment Weekly</i> casually spoils movies (and teevee shows, though I can&#8217;t whine about that category as much), presuming everyone reading the magazine went out and saw it on opening weekend &#8211; much like the comment above about 12:01 Wednesday for comics.</p>
<p>Personally, I really, really don&#8217;t want <i>Deathly Hallows</i> spoiled right away, since I&#8217;m going on the road on the 20th, and I&#8217;ll have to scrounge a copy somewhere that weekend. I figure the longer I wait, the greater my chances are of getting spoiled.</p>
<p>In regards to the Midnight release, I agree with Dani. I did it once, with my sister and niece, for <i>Phoenix</i>. Once was enough for me. But the appeal is something I can&#8217;t disagree with. I just don&#8217;t need it myself.</p>
<p>As for &#8220;famous&#8221; spoilers, I read that Peanuts strip as a kid. It did spoil the movie for me, but it also made the strip that much funnier. In regards to &#8220;Psycho,&#8221; I had it spoiled a couple of years before I saw it by <b>Donnie &#8220;Ralph Malph&#8221; Most</b> on Happy Days. He spoils several movies the Cunninghams are thinking about seeing.</p>
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		<title>By: Elf</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jun 2007 07:58:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I saw the Sixth Sense without knowing the twist ending. I later saw it  again, and this time I noticed all the clues that was laid out, and I therefore enjoyed the movie in a totally different way. Maybe you don&#039;t look for the clues if you know the ending when you see the movie for the first time. I still think it&#039;s a good movie.

The earliest examples of the word spoiler being used among nerds was in this Usenet thread from 1980 -&gt; http://tinyurl.com/234e6d</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I saw the Sixth Sense without knowing the twist ending. I later saw it  again, and this time I noticed all the clues that was laid out, and I therefore enjoyed the movie in a totally different way. Maybe you don&#8217;t look for the clues if you know the ending when you see the movie for the first time. I still think it&#8217;s a good movie.</p>
<p>The earliest examples of the word spoiler being used among nerds was in this Usenet thread from 1980 -&gt; <a href="http://tinyurl.com/234e6d" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/234e6d</a></p>
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		<title>By: alex</title>
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		<dc:creator>alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jun 2007 00:38:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Spot 1980, I think it&#039;s pretty obvious Heidi hasn&#039;t read American Born Chinese (and proabably Fun Home too) and proabably just guessed with all the literary awards it&#039;s got and its subject matter that it&#039;s just some navel-gazing slice-of-life book. Which any of us who have actually read it know it to be anything but. That book might wear the crown for the biggest twist ending in comics history. So those you that have read it and know Heidi, please don&#039;t tell her so she can fully enjoy it, unlike her viewing of the Sixth Sense!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Spot 1980, I think it&#8217;s pretty obvious Heidi hasn&#8217;t read American Born Chinese (and proabably Fun Home too) and proabably just guessed with all the literary awards it&#8217;s got and its subject matter that it&#8217;s just some navel-gazing slice-of-life book. Which any of us who have actually read it know it to be anything but. That book might wear the crown for the biggest twist ending in comics history. So those you that have read it and know Heidi, please don&#8217;t tell her so she can fully enjoy it, unlike her viewing of the Sixth Sense!!</p>
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		<title>By: Kelson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kelson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jun 2007 00:14:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;If people don’t want to know, then don’t go to the sites where people are going to talk about it.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Sometimes it&#039;s hard to avoid, though.  In the case of &lt;i&gt;Presumed Innocent&lt;/i&gt;, I remember a radio host revealed the twist on-air shortly after the movie came out.  He got plenty of complaints, and apologized on air the next day... by saying, &quot;I&#039;m sorry I revealed that it was so-and-so,&quot; thus managing to spoil it again for anyone who had missed the first round.

I&#039;m currently trying to decide just how much to post on my Flash fan site.  It&#039;s mainly a reference site, and I&#039;m caught between the &quot;Why don&#039;t you have anything on Flash #13/JLA #10&quot; camp and the theoritical camp that only hits the comic store once a month and avoids forums.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>If people don’t want to know, then don’t go to the sites where people are going to talk about it.</p></blockquote>
<p>Sometimes it&#8217;s hard to avoid, though.  In the case of <i>Presumed Innocent</i>, I remember a radio host revealed the twist on-air shortly after the movie came out.  He got plenty of complaints, and apologized on air the next day&#8230; by saying, &#8220;I&#8217;m sorry I revealed that it was so-and-so,&#8221; thus managing to spoil it again for anyone who had missed the first round.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m currently trying to decide just how much to post on my Flash fan site.  It&#8217;s mainly a reference site, and I&#8217;m caught between the &#8220;Why don&#8217;t you have anything on Flash #13/JLA #10&#8243; camp and the theoritical camp that only hits the comic store once a month and avoids forums.</p>
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		<title>By: Alan Coil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alan Coil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jun 2007 23:11:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I never saw Crying Game because the surprise was revealed before I could get to the theater. Same with 6th Nonsense. It just takes all the magic away.

I think a month or two of silence is fine for a movie, maybe 2 weeks for a comic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I never saw Crying Game because the surprise was revealed before I could get to the theater. Same with 6th Nonsense. It just takes all the magic away.</p>
<p>I think a month or two of silence is fine for a movie, maybe 2 weeks for a comic.</p>
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		<title>By: CBrown</title>
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		<dc:creator>CBrown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jun 2007 23:03:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I was first Spoiled by Charles Schulz. In a Sunday strip, Linus is watching Citizen Kane. Lucy ruins the ending.&quot;

I totally remember that cartoon! Though I&#039;d already seen the film, so it didn&#039;t ruin my world.

I, too, was a wee lad eagerly awaiting The Empire Strikes Back when Marvel released their adaptation days early. In my case, it was MY OWN MOTHER who, at the dinner table, said, &quot;I read in the NY Post today that Darth Vader is Luke Skywalker&#039;s father.&quot; I went into the movie trying to pretend that maybe it wasn&#039;t true, that the newspaper had just gotten a rumor wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I was first Spoiled by Charles Schulz. In a Sunday strip, Linus is watching Citizen Kane. Lucy ruins the ending.&#8221;</p>
<p>I totally remember that cartoon! Though I&#8217;d already seen the film, so it didn&#8217;t ruin my world.</p>
<p>I, too, was a wee lad eagerly awaiting The Empire Strikes Back when Marvel released their adaptation days early. In my case, it was MY OWN MOTHER who, at the dinner table, said, &#8220;I read in the NY Post today that Darth Vader is Luke Skywalker&#8217;s father.&#8221; I went into the movie trying to pretend that maybe it wasn&#8217;t true, that the newspaper had just gotten a rumor wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: Sphinx Magoo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sphinx Magoo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jun 2007 21:36:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can understand Heidi complaining about Spoilers: with her duties on The Beat (and in her day job) she must have all sorts of people coming to her with &quot;secret knowledge&quot;. Probably more than I would just sitting here at home and web-surfing when the kids allow me to.

But I find that people only spoil certain things but not others. For example, with Empire Strikes Back, people may have spoiled about Luke&#039;s parentage, but not about the dramatic way it was done. Or with the bit with Dumbledore in Harry Potter 6 with the dramatic parts that Malfoy and Snape played in it. Metaphorically, spoilers only go for the exclamation points but not for the sentences and paragraphs leading up to it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can understand Heidi complaining about Spoilers: with her duties on The Beat (and in her day job) she must have all sorts of people coming to her with &#8220;secret knowledge&#8221;. Probably more than I would just sitting here at home and web-surfing when the kids allow me to.</p>
<p>But I find that people only spoil certain things but not others. For example, with Empire Strikes Back, people may have spoiled about Luke&#8217;s parentage, but not about the dramatic way it was done. Or with the bit with Dumbledore in Harry Potter 6 with the dramatic parts that Malfoy and Snape played in it. Metaphorically, spoilers only go for the exclamation points but not for the sentences and paragraphs leading up to it.</p>
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		<title>By: Keith Phipps</title>
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		<dc:creator>Keith Phipps</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jun 2007 20:45:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Worst spoiler story ever?: I took a friend who&#039;d managed to make it to college without seeing PSYCHO to a revival at an old downtown theater. We sat in front of a chatty pair of old ladies prone to making comments like, &quot;Cars sure were big back then!&quot; and &quot;Gas sure was cheap back then!&quot; Annoying but benign. Then about halfway through the movie one turns to the other and says **SPOILER WARNING** &quot;Aren&#039;t he and his mother the same person?&quot;

BadMike: I spoiled JEDI for myself (at the age of 10) by reading the novelization before seeing the movie. Why? I have no idea. But isn&#039;t it strange that novelizations and comics adaptations used to come out so far in advance of the film? (Maybe novelizations still do. I wouldn&#039;t know.) Things sure were different back then! And the cars were bigger, too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Worst spoiler story ever?: I took a friend who&#8217;d managed to make it to college without seeing PSYCHO to a revival at an old downtown theater. We sat in front of a chatty pair of old ladies prone to making comments like, &#8220;Cars sure were big back then!&#8221; and &#8220;Gas sure was cheap back then!&#8221; Annoying but benign. Then about halfway through the movie one turns to the other and says **SPOILER WARNING** &#8220;Aren&#8217;t he and his mother the same person?&#8221;</p>
<p>BadMike: I spoiled JEDI for myself (at the age of 10) by reading the novelization before seeing the movie. Why? I have no idea. But isn&#8217;t it strange that novelizations and comics adaptations used to come out so far in advance of the film? (Maybe novelizations still do. I wouldn&#8217;t know.) Things sure were different back then! And the cars were bigger, too.</p>
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		<title>By: badMike</title>
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		<dc:creator>badMike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jun 2007 20:06:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I remember having JEDI spoiled when I flipped through the Marvel movie adaptation that came out like a month before the movie. I just wanted to skim the art, but of course landed on the page where Luke tells Leia they&#039;re related. Grrr...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I remember having JEDI spoiled when I flipped through the Marvel movie adaptation that came out like a month before the movie. I just wanted to skim the art, but of course landed on the page where Luke tells Leia they&#8217;re related. Grrr&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Ken</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jun 2007 19:55:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is a great Honeymooners clip on youtube sort of on this subject

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBEOauyrpWs

I remember waiting on line 7 hours to see Empire, and as we were walking in this woman was walking out &quot;you&#039;ll never guess who Luke&#039;s father is!  Darth Vader!!!&quot;

Wanted to kill her.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is a great Honeymooners clip on youtube sort of on this subject</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBEOauyrpWs" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBEOauyrpWs</a></p>
<p>I remember waiting on line 7 hours to see Empire, and as we were walking in this woman was walking out &#8220;you&#8217;ll never guess who Luke&#8217;s father is!  Darth Vader!!!&#8221;</p>
<p>Wanted to kill her.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jonathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jun 2007 19:49:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can&#039;t even fathom watching PSYCHO *without* knowing the twist ending.  That movie had been spoiled and become a part of pop culture well before I came around so as far back as I can remember I knew the ending.  I still watched it and I can respect it, but I can&#039;t ever remember that moment when I was shocked to find out the terrible secret of the Bates Motel!  Similar point with THE CRYING GAME.  It was out and ruined well before I ever could have seen it (I was very young when it was released and my parents were letting me nowhere near an R-rated flick).

There&#039;s a whole group of films that I&#039;ll never watch because what&#039;s the point when the whole movie hinges on a twist ending that&#039;s already been ruined.  And another group that I&#039;ll watch anyway because they&#039;re well made even though they&#039;ve been spoiled for me.  Sigh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t even fathom watching PSYCHO *without* knowing the twist ending.  That movie had been spoiled and become a part of pop culture well before I came around so as far back as I can remember I knew the ending.  I still watched it and I can respect it, but I can&#8217;t ever remember that moment when I was shocked to find out the terrible secret of the Bates Motel!  Similar point with THE CRYING GAME.  It was out and ruined well before I ever could have seen it (I was very young when it was released and my parents were letting me nowhere near an R-rated flick).</p>
<p>There&#8217;s a whole group of films that I&#8217;ll never watch because what&#8217;s the point when the whole movie hinges on a twist ending that&#8217;s already been ruined.  And another group that I&#8217;ll watch anyway because they&#8217;re well made even though they&#8217;ve been spoiled for me.  Sigh.</p>
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