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	<title>Comments on: DC Comics Month-to-Month Sales May 2007</title>
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		<title>By: The Four Color Media Monitor</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2007/06/28/dc-comics-month-to-month-sales-may-2007/#comment-19510</link>
		<dc:creator>The Four Color Media Monitor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jul 2007 03:44:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;I wonder if we&#039;ll be seeing more like this?...&lt;/strong&gt;

Update: and while we&#039;re on the subject of Robin, his ongoing solo book has noticably dropped below 27,000 copies sold recently. With the way they&#039;ve handled it lately, with almost no plausible or acceptable development, if at all, I can&#039;t say I&#039;m s...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>I wonder if we&#8217;ll be seeing more like this?&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>Update: and while we&#8217;re on the subject of Robin, his ongoing solo book has noticably dropped below 27,000 copies sold recently. With the way they&#8217;ve handled it lately, with almost no plausible or acceptable development, if at all, I can&#8217;t say I&#8217;m s&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Shawn Hill</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2007/06/28/dc-comics-month-to-month-sales-may-2007/#comment-19509</link>
		<dc:creator>Shawn Hill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jul 2007 17:31:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>People do react very emotionally to this list at times; we all have our own needs we bring to it. I&#039;d love it to be shorter, myself, and formatted differently. But Marc&#039;s comments (even when I don&#039;t agree with them) are often the best part of the chart to me, because it adds an editorial quality that is informative and makes some sort of sense of all these numbers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People do react very emotionally to this list at times; we all have our own needs we bring to it. I&#8217;d love it to be shorter, myself, and formatted differently. But Marc&#8217;s comments (even when I don&#8217;t agree with them) are often the best part of the chart to me, because it adds an editorial quality that is informative and makes some sort of sense of all these numbers.</p>
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		<title>By: brett tolino</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2007/06/28/dc-comics-month-to-month-sales-may-2007/#comment-19508</link>
		<dc:creator>brett tolino</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jul 2007 18:20:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not sure why everyone is getting on Marc&#039;s case for his comments. He&#039;s writing the piece and making opinions based on the numbers. Call them &#039;snarky&#039; all you want but he isn&#039;t saying anything different than what everyone else is saying around the store aisles, amongst friends and yes, even on the internet. People can like what DC is doing all they want but the majority does not and it is reflected in sales.

If some want to get all pissy because they don&#039;t like people&#039;s commenting about DC being in the toilet, well, don&#039;t shoot the messenger or the people discussing amongst themselves -- look at the people responsible for putting DC in the toilet. It&#039;s certainly not the readers. We only buy the books if we like them. Also -- as seen by the numbers, since readers are jumping off the DC boat like passengers on the Titanic, its safe to say they&#039;re not very liked.

So yes, the reign of Dan Didio and his bloodbath continues... killing characters and chasing away readers... monthly.

Well, sometimes monthly...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not sure why everyone is getting on Marc&#8217;s case for his comments. He&#8217;s writing the piece and making opinions based on the numbers. Call them &#8217;snarky&#8217; all you want but he isn&#8217;t saying anything different than what everyone else is saying around the store aisles, amongst friends and yes, even on the internet. People can like what DC is doing all they want but the majority does not and it is reflected in sales.</p>
<p>If some want to get all pissy because they don&#8217;t like people&#8217;s commenting about DC being in the toilet, well, don&#8217;t shoot the messenger or the people discussing amongst themselves &#8212; look at the people responsible for putting DC in the toilet. It&#8217;s certainly not the readers. We only buy the books if we like them. Also &#8212; as seen by the numbers, since readers are jumping off the DC boat like passengers on the Titanic, its safe to say they&#8217;re not very liked.</p>
<p>So yes, the reign of Dan Didio and his bloodbath continues&#8230; killing characters and chasing away readers&#8230; monthly.</p>
<p>Well, sometimes monthly&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Marc-Oliver Frisch</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2007/06/28/dc-comics-month-to-month-sales-may-2007/#comment-19507</link>
		<dc:creator>Marc-Oliver Frisch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jul 2007 06:49:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Is there any way you can add sales numbers for Mirages TMNT titles and mini series with the ‘extra publishers’ sometime?&quot;

Generally, the farther down the chart you get, the less meaningful the sales estimates tend to get, due to a variety of factors.  So any books from other publishers which didn&#039;t make the Top 100 will remain the exception.

I&#039;ll have a look, but no promises.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Is there any way you can add sales numbers for Mirages TMNT titles and mini series with the ‘extra publishers’ sometime?&#8221;</p>
<p>Generally, the farther down the chart you get, the less meaningful the sales estimates tend to get, due to a variety of factors.  So any books from other publishers which didn&#8217;t make the Top 100 will remain the exception.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll have a look, but no promises.</p>
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		<title>By: Faust</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2007/06/28/dc-comics-month-to-month-sales-may-2007/#comment-19506</link>
		<dc:creator>Faust</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jun 2007 10:27:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Marc-Oliver,

Is there any way you can add sales numbers for Mirages TMNT titles and mini series with the &#039;extra publishers&#039; sometime?

Keep up the great work!!

Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Marc-Oliver,</p>
<p>Is there any way you can add sales numbers for Mirages TMNT titles and mini series with the &#8216;extra publishers&#8217; sometime?</p>
<p>Keep up the great work!!</p>
<p>Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Williams</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2007/06/28/dc-comics-month-to-month-sales-may-2007/#comment-19505</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe Williams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jun 2007 00:59:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m still waiting for the day we can get the number that will really mean something- the numbers that can account for ALL sales, though by the time we get that we&#039;ll likely be counting direct downloads into our brains but I&#039;d still like to actually have a full count of single issues AND trades and foreign sales added together so we see that the Jonah Hex level book which seems to be on the cusp of cancellation when only looking at single issue sales in the direct market is actually doing good because of other, equally valid sources of revenue. I know many people see Hex as a DCU book but I gotta think the suits see it more as a Vertigo title- I don&#039;t know why they haven&#039;t made the switch other than perhaps they think that could hurt sales for some reason.

I notice the big 2 seem to prefer shaking things up and rolling the dice which usually results in a late shipping books making no money month to month instead of a nice monthly groove from consistent talent even if the numbers dip ever so slightly month to month. I suppose that&#039;s to be expected, but I think changing the creators and even the titles keeps series from having a nice long series of trades you can stack together on a book store shelf that result in real presence the way a series of 5-10 or more manga books can. There obviously are a few examples of books getting this right (Fables, obviously) and I&#039;m sure it results in better bookstore sales just from taking up more shelf space and the increase in visibility when books are displayed spine out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m still waiting for the day we can get the number that will really mean something- the numbers that can account for ALL sales, though by the time we get that we&#8217;ll likely be counting direct downloads into our brains but I&#8217;d still like to actually have a full count of single issues AND trades and foreign sales added together so we see that the Jonah Hex level book which seems to be on the cusp of cancellation when only looking at single issue sales in the direct market is actually doing good because of other, equally valid sources of revenue. I know many people see Hex as a DCU book but I gotta think the suits see it more as a Vertigo title- I don&#8217;t know why they haven&#8217;t made the switch other than perhaps they think that could hurt sales for some reason.</p>
<p>I notice the big 2 seem to prefer shaking things up and rolling the dice which usually results in a late shipping books making no money month to month instead of a nice monthly groove from consistent talent even if the numbers dip ever so slightly month to month. I suppose that&#8217;s to be expected, but I think changing the creators and even the titles keeps series from having a nice long series of trades you can stack together on a book store shelf that result in real presence the way a series of 5-10 or more manga books can. There obviously are a few examples of books getting this right (Fables, obviously) and I&#8217;m sure it results in better bookstore sales just from taking up more shelf space and the increase in visibility when books are displayed spine out.</p>
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		<title>By: Raphe Cheli</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2007/06/28/dc-comics-month-to-month-sales-may-2007/#comment-19504</link>
		<dc:creator>Raphe Cheli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jun 2007 19:51:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Well, SANDMAN and PREACHER were both huge, enduring mass-market hits, and I think it can fairly be argued that Vertigo never has found another hit on the same scale as either. Mind you, that’s a high target.&quot;

I would say that Fables sells as much -- if not more -- than Preacher in the trade market.  Fables, in fact, has a much broader appeal (Sandman-esque) than Preacher.  I would easily recommend Fables or Y to nearly anyone who enjoys fiction; Preacher, not so much.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Well, SANDMAN and PREACHER were both huge, enduring mass-market hits, and I think it can fairly be argued that Vertigo never has found another hit on the same scale as either. Mind you, that’s a high target.&#8221;</p>
<p>I would say that Fables sells as much &#8212; if not more &#8212; than Preacher in the trade market.  Fables, in fact, has a much broader appeal (Sandman-esque) than Preacher.  I would easily recommend Fables or Y to nearly anyone who enjoys fiction; Preacher, not so much.</p>
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		<title>By: CapVsBats</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2007/06/28/dc-comics-month-to-month-sales-may-2007/#comment-19503</link>
		<dc:creator>CapVsBats</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jun 2007 17:28:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The big problem (or solution perhaps) for Jonah Hex is that the trades don&#039;t get bundled in your big box bookstores along the Westerns where they might actually find readers outside of the comic fans.

I&#039;ve let my Father-In-Law read Punisher tpbs and he loves them, but I&#039;ll be damn if you&#039;d find those alongside Don Pendleton&#039;s The Executioner series in a bookstore.

Graphic Novels really get ghettoized in some places.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The big problem (or solution perhaps) for Jonah Hex is that the trades don&#8217;t get bundled in your big box bookstores along the Westerns where they might actually find readers outside of the comic fans.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve let my Father-In-Law read Punisher tpbs and he loves them, but I&#8217;ll be damn if you&#8217;d find those alongside Don Pendleton&#8217;s The Executioner series in a bookstore.</p>
<p>Graphic Novels really get ghettoized in some places.</p>
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		<title>By: Marc-Oliver Frisch</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2007/06/28/dc-comics-month-to-month-sales-may-2007/#comment-19502</link>
		<dc:creator>Marc-Oliver Frisch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jun 2007 15:29:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;personally i think it hurts the sales because if they think its being canned, they order less…thats what 3 retailers i know personally have told me.&quot;

Well, in principle, I&#039;d expect retailers to place more faith in their circle sheets and in the ordering behavior of their customers than in this column. But if the column helps someone to get a better understanding of how a title is selling in general and makes their job a little easier because of it, I consider that a good thing. After all, if a book is on its way out, I&#039;d certainly want to know it if I were a retailer (or a reader, for that matter).

But, to stay with the example of JONAH HEX: We know that it&#039;s a DC Universe book, we know that it sells below HAWKGIRL, which has been canceled, and we know that it&#039;s been in a decline for a while.  I don&#039;t think I&#039;m going out on a limb when I suggest that it may be in trouble.

I can see where you&#039;re coming from, as a creator.  But I question whether simply putting sales information out there and analyzing it can kill a book that&#039;s healthy, anyway.  There seems to be a logical leap.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;personally i think it hurts the sales because if they think its being canned, they order less…thats what 3 retailers i know personally have told me.&#8221;</p>
<p>Well, in principle, I&#8217;d expect retailers to place more faith in their circle sheets and in the ordering behavior of their customers than in this column. But if the column helps someone to get a better understanding of how a title is selling in general and makes their job a little easier because of it, I consider that a good thing. After all, if a book is on its way out, I&#8217;d certainly want to know it if I were a retailer (or a reader, for that matter).</p>
<p>But, to stay with the example of JONAH HEX: We know that it&#8217;s a DC Universe book, we know that it sells below HAWKGIRL, which has been canceled, and we know that it&#8217;s been in a decline for a while.  I don&#8217;t think I&#8217;m going out on a limb when I suggest that it may be in trouble.</p>
<p>I can see where you&#8217;re coming from, as a creator.  But I question whether simply putting sales information out there and analyzing it can kill a book that&#8217;s healthy, anyway.  There seems to be a logical leap.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul O'Brien</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2007/06/28/dc-comics-month-to-month-sales-may-2007/#comment-19501</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul O'Brien</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jun 2007 14:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, SANDMAN and PREACHER were both huge, enduring mass-market hits, and I think it can fairly be argued that Vertigo never has found another hit on the same scale as either.  Mind you, that&#039;s a high target.  And the Vertigo books do sell in significant numbers in trade - even in the direct market, Y: THE LAST MAN does almost half its sales in trade paperback format.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, SANDMAN and PREACHER were both huge, enduring mass-market hits, and I think it can fairly be argued that Vertigo never has found another hit on the same scale as either.  Mind you, that&#8217;s a high target.  And the Vertigo books do sell in significant numbers in trade &#8211; even in the direct market, Y: THE LAST MAN does almost half its sales in trade paperback format.</p>
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		<title>By: Raphe Cheli</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2007/06/28/dc-comics-month-to-month-sales-may-2007/#comment-19500</link>
		<dc:creator>Raphe Cheli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jun 2007 14:24:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Remember when Preacher ended and everyone wondered what would take its place and whether Vertigo could survive?  Same with Sandman before it.  I have confidence in Karen Berger and the rest of the editorial group to find something out there that is as good as all of those books.

Vertigo has as many (if not more) misses than hits, but you can say the same thing for every publishing company.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Remember when Preacher ended and everyone wondered what would take its place and whether Vertigo could survive?  Same with Sandman before it.  I have confidence in Karen Berger and the rest of the editorial group to find something out there that is as good as all of those books.</p>
<p>Vertigo has as many (if not more) misses than hits, but you can say the same thing for every publishing company.</p>
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		<title>By: Jimmy Palmiotti</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2007/06/28/dc-comics-month-to-month-sales-may-2007/#comment-19499</link>
		<dc:creator>Jimmy Palmiotti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jun 2007 13:49:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>well...retailers and fans always ask me if hex is being cancelled after seeing this list.

personally i think it hurts the sales because if they think its being canned, they order less...thats what 3 retailers i know personally have told me. the book is on the way out.

thanks for the corrections by the other posters by the way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>well&#8230;retailers and fans always ask me if hex is being cancelled after seeing this list.</p>
<p>personally i think it hurts the sales because if they think its being canned, they order less&#8230;thats what 3 retailers i know personally have told me. the book is on the way out.</p>
<p>thanks for the corrections by the other posters by the way.</p>
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		<title>By: Heinz Hochkoepper</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2007/06/28/dc-comics-month-to-month-sales-may-2007/#comment-19498</link>
		<dc:creator>Heinz Hochkoepper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jun 2007 13:01:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Randy: That&#039;s extremely interesting. I never knew Vertigo trades were doing that well. Also interesting that you mention American Virgin along with Y, Fables and DMZ. If that&#039;s not just your store, then American Virgin might survive longer than the other low-selling Vertigo titles because of strong trade sales. Though I still think Testament ought to be doing good in bookstores.

Another ray of light for Vertigo should be Diamond UK sales, since European readers are probably more interested in other genres than superhero books. My retailer (Berlin) told me a few months ago that most Vertigo books are doing better than Civil War in his store.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Randy: That&#8217;s extremely interesting. I never knew Vertigo trades were doing that well. Also interesting that you mention American Virgin along with Y, Fables and DMZ. If that&#8217;s not just your store, then American Virgin might survive longer than the other low-selling Vertigo titles because of strong trade sales. Though I still think Testament ought to be doing good in bookstores.</p>
<p>Another ray of light for Vertigo should be Diamond UK sales, since European readers are probably more interested in other genres than superhero books. My retailer (Berlin) told me a few months ago that most Vertigo books are doing better than Civil War in his store.</p>
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		<title>By: Journalista - the news weblog of The Comics Journal &#187; Blog Archive &#187; June 29, 2007: Coursin&#8217; frew Keef&#8217;s veins</title>
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		<dc:creator>Journalista - the news weblog of The Comics Journal &#187; Blog Archive &#187; June 29, 2007: Coursin&#8217; frew Keef&#8217;s veins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jun 2007 09:49:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Writing for The Beat, Marc-Oliver Frisch provides a month-to-month comparison of DC Comics sales to Direct-Market retailers through Diamond, now updated through May. Also provided is sardonic commentary by the bucketful: [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Writing for The Beat, Marc-Oliver Frisch provides a month-to-month comparison of DC Comics sales to Direct-Market retailers through Diamond, now updated through May. Also provided is sardonic commentary by the bucketful: [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Marc-Oliver Frisch</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2007/06/28/dc-comics-month-to-month-sales-may-2007/#comment-19496</link>
		<dc:creator>Marc-Oliver Frisch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jun 2007 09:33:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Reorders are generally added in in later months.&quot;

If they&#039;re strong enough to make the Top 300 again, yes.  Otherwise, there&#039;s currently no way to track them through the data we have.

&quot;these kinds of pieces do more damage to smaller books than they know and create a false panic for some titles that are not in any trouble at all because the cost to print ratio is not explored… as is the income gained by trade collections.&quot;

The collection sales aspect is flagged up in the disclaimer, Jimmy, and sometimes it&#039;s mentioned in the comments, as well.

As for doing damage to smaller books: Please define &quot;damage.&quot; And please define &quot;smaller books.&quot;  I respect your experiences in the industry, but &quot;you&#039;re doing damage&quot; is pretty vague; if there&#039;s any hard data to support the notion, I&#039;d appreciate it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Reorders are generally added in in later months.&#8221;</p>
<p>If they&#8217;re strong enough to make the Top 300 again, yes.  Otherwise, there&#8217;s currently no way to track them through the data we have.</p>
<p>&#8220;these kinds of pieces do more damage to smaller books than they know and create a false panic for some titles that are not in any trouble at all because the cost to print ratio is not explored… as is the income gained by trade collections.&#8221;</p>
<p>The collection sales aspect is flagged up in the disclaimer, Jimmy, and sometimes it&#8217;s mentioned in the comments, as well.</p>
<p>As for doing damage to smaller books: Please define &#8220;damage.&#8221; And please define &#8220;smaller books.&#8221;  I respect your experiences in the industry, but &#8220;you&#8217;re doing damage&#8221; is pretty vague; if there&#8217;s any hard data to support the notion, I&#8217;d appreciate it.</p>
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