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	<title>Comments on: Vado: &quot;I would own it all.&quot;</title>
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		<title>By: Landry Walker</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2007/03/05/vado-i-would-own-it-all/#comment-13413</link>
		<dc:creator>Landry Walker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Mar 2007 03:54:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe that would still be the case with sales now. Perhaps it&#039;s my unfounded optimism for this industry, but it&#039;s hard to imagine that at this time, a book with your name on it would not garner more attention, and therefore some higher performance sales. Adjusted for the lower sales of the entire industry of course, but relatively more than you sold through SLG previously.

Obviously you have other commitments now. And obviously you would know better what to expect in regards to your sales than I would. Maybe I&#039;m just colored by my enjoyment of Super-F*ckers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe that would still be the case with sales now. Perhaps it&#8217;s my unfounded optimism for this industry, but it&#8217;s hard to imagine that at this time, a book with your name on it would not garner more attention, and therefore some higher performance sales. Adjusted for the lower sales of the entire industry of course, but relatively more than you sold through SLG previously.</p>
<p>Obviously you have other commitments now. And obviously you would know better what to expect in regards to your sales than I would. Maybe I&#8217;m just colored by my enjoyment of Super-F*ckers.</p>
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		<title>By: James Kochalka</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2007/03/05/vado-i-would-own-it-all/#comment-13412</link>
		<dc:creator>James Kochalka</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Mar 2007 03:12:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The only reason I ever left Slave Labor &amp; found a new publisher was because Dan told me that he couldn&#039;t continue to publish me anymore, since my first two projects sold so poorly.  I bear him no ill will for that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The only reason I ever left Slave Labor &amp; found a new publisher was because Dan told me that he couldn&#8217;t continue to publish me anymore, since my first two projects sold so poorly.  I bear him no ill will for that.</p>
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		<title>By: Landry Walker</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2007/03/05/vado-i-would-own-it-all/#comment-13411</link>
		<dc:creator>Landry Walker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Mar 2007 01:18:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you really want to thank him, you might want to consider occasionally submitting work to him (assuming you haven&#039;t). That&#039;s just my interpretation and I in no way can speak for Dan. Also, I mean no disrespect here as I have no doubt your gratitude is quite sincere, but it seems that one of the major issues is the creative force using companies like SLG as a springboard and never looking back. Only a fool would suggest an exclusive arrangement as it&#039;s simply not economical. But (from my limited perspective) it would make a world of difference if more established and notable creators, like yourself, continued to dip a toe in the SLG pond from time to time.

As for your interpretation of copyright, that&#039;s as accurate an assessment as they come, from what I can see.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you really want to thank him, you might want to consider occasionally submitting work to him (assuming you haven&#8217;t). That&#8217;s just my interpretation and I in no way can speak for Dan. Also, I mean no disrespect here as I have no doubt your gratitude is quite sincere, but it seems that one of the major issues is the creative force using companies like SLG as a springboard and never looking back. Only a fool would suggest an exclusive arrangement as it&#8217;s simply not economical. But (from my limited perspective) it would make a world of difference if more established and notable creators, like yourself, continued to dip a toe in the SLG pond from time to time.</p>
<p>As for your interpretation of copyright, that&#8217;s as accurate an assessment as they come, from what I can see.</p>
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		<title>By: James Kochalka</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2007/03/05/vado-i-would-own-it-all/#comment-13410</link>
		<dc:creator>James Kochalka</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Mar 2007 00:29:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>remove the &quot;the&quot; before copyright.  Copyright is doomed, not &quot;the copyright is doomed&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>remove the &#8220;the&#8221; before copyright.  Copyright is doomed, not &#8220;the copyright is doomed&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: James Kochalka</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2007/03/05/vado-i-would-own-it-all/#comment-13409</link>
		<dc:creator>James Kochalka</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Mar 2007 00:28:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It occurs to me that I&#039;ve posted the wrong thing.  What I meant to say was...Thank you.  Thank you Dan Vado, and thank you Slave Labor for publishing me back when no one else would.  The relationship didn&#039;t last long, but it wasn&#039;t a bad experience.

Really, I will always be grateful for that.

I do happen to believe that the copyright is doomed, it was a little experiment that will end up being just a blip in the history of man.  It&#039;s already nearly defunct in practice (no one thinks twice of stealing music, for instance) and it&#039;s just a matter of time until the law catches up with the general perception that everything should be shared freely.  Which would make the notion of creator ownership or company ownership a complete non-issue.

(I&#039;m not saying this is right or wrong, just that it&#039;s the direction mankind seems to be headed in.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It occurs to me that I&#8217;ve posted the wrong thing.  What I meant to say was&#8230;Thank you.  Thank you Dan Vado, and thank you Slave Labor for publishing me back when no one else would.  The relationship didn&#8217;t last long, but it wasn&#8217;t a bad experience.</p>
<p>Really, I will always be grateful for that.</p>
<p>I do happen to believe that the copyright is doomed, it was a little experiment that will end up being just a blip in the history of man.  It&#8217;s already nearly defunct in practice (no one thinks twice of stealing music, for instance) and it&#8217;s just a matter of time until the law catches up with the general perception that everything should be shared freely.  Which would make the notion of creator ownership or company ownership a complete non-issue.</p>
<p>(I&#8217;m not saying this is right or wrong, just that it&#8217;s the direction mankind seems to be headed in.)</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Towle: Cartoonist, Educator, Hobo &#187; My Pulisher is Dan Vado, and Dan Vado Says&#8230;</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2007/03/05/vado-i-would-own-it-all/#comment-13408</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben Towle: Cartoonist, Educator, Hobo &#187; My Pulisher is Dan Vado, and Dan Vado Says&#8230;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Mar 2007 14:33:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Secondly, just an observation: over at The Beat, cartoonist James Kochalka comments on his recent, and apparently creator-friendly, book deal with publishing giant Random House.  James seems like a nice guy (we&#8217;ve run into each other once or twice at cons, at CSS, etc.), but I think that&#8211;aside even from the obvious &#8220;apples and oranges&#8221; comparison going on&#8211;in this case his comment actually buttresses, rather than disproves, Dan&#8217;s point.  Although not mentioned by either James or Dan, James Kochalka is in fact one of the many cartoonists who did early work that was published by Slave Labor Graphics&#8211;Little Mister Man and Magic Boy and Robot Elf are both SLG books if I&#8217;ve got my facts straight.  The fact that now, years later, James could&#8211;hypothetically&#8211;take characters from those SLG-published books to someone like Random House, and that he would be in a position to do so as an established creator in some part because of being published initially by SLG, and yet without SLG really seeing anything from it, is precisely what Dan seems to be addressing. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Secondly, just an observation: over at The Beat, cartoonist James Kochalka comments on his recent, and apparently creator-friendly, book deal with publishing giant Random House.  James seems like a nice guy (we&#8217;ve run into each other once or twice at cons, at CSS, etc.), but I think that&#8211;aside even from the obvious &#8220;apples and oranges&#8221; comparison going on&#8211;in this case his comment actually buttresses, rather than disproves, Dan&#8217;s point.  Although not mentioned by either James or Dan, James Kochalka is in fact one of the many cartoonists who did early work that was published by Slave Labor Graphics&#8211;Little Mister Man and Magic Boy and Robot Elf are both SLG books if I&#8217;ve got my facts straight.  The fact that now, years later, James could&#8211;hypothetically&#8211;take characters from those SLG-published books to someone like Random House, and that he would be in a position to do so as an established creator in some part because of being published initially by SLG, and yet without SLG really seeing anything from it, is precisely what Dan seems to be addressing. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Landry Walker</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2007/03/05/vado-i-would-own-it-all/#comment-13407</link>
		<dc:creator>Landry Walker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Mar 2007 21:04:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I find it amazing that Vado would shoot himself in the foot this way.&quot;

Yeah, honesty and forthrightness really is a bad buisness model. As a creator I much prefer to be patted on the head an assured that everything is just swell.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I find it amazing that Vado would shoot himself in the foot this way.&#8221;</p>
<p>Yeah, honesty and forthrightness really is a bad buisness model. As a creator I much prefer to be patted on the head an assured that everything is just swell.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Bieser</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2007/03/05/vado-i-would-own-it-all/#comment-13406</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott Bieser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Mar 2007 20:53:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find it amazing that Vado would shoot himself in the foot this way.

In the first place, such a public lament that &quot;I&#039;ve wasted 20 years&quot; tends to cast a pall over the company. You just don&#039;t say shit like that until after you&#039;ve quit or retired.

In the second place, he can reassure his current creators that nothing will change, and they can believe him, but the next batch of undiscovered geniuses are more likely to pass him by now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find it amazing that Vado would shoot himself in the foot this way.</p>
<p>In the first place, such a public lament that &#8220;I&#8217;ve wasted 20 years&#8221; tends to cast a pall over the company. You just don&#8217;t say shit like that until after you&#8217;ve quit or retired.</p>
<p>In the second place, he can reassure his current creators that nothing will change, and they can believe him, but the next batch of undiscovered geniuses are more likely to pass him by now.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Starkings</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2007/03/05/vado-i-would-own-it-all/#comment-13405</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Starkings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Mar 2007 19:47:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve published a handful of creator owned books (STRANGE EMBRACE, FLY CHRONICLES, THE SPIRAL CAGE and SKIDMARKS) which I have no stake in, a couple or three of which I have a small piece (SOLSTICE, GUNPOWDER GIRL and BALLAST) and two books which I wholly create and wholly own (HIP FLASK and ELEPHANTMEN.

Of the three deals I can tell you that I definitely prefer the last, but I learned a lot by working with other creators and published their properties not because I wanted to make money on ancilliary rights, but because I thought they were great pieces of work and wanted to help my friends get their books out there. Many of the creators I&#039;ve published are people I&#039;ve worked with and known a long time and I prefer NOT to get into how much I&#039;ve spent and why I should perhaps get more... nevertheless I fully understand why other publishers have a 50/50 or 35/65 take-it-or-leave-it deal on all rights relating to creators&#039; properties. Publishers have to think about their future as well as yours.

The costs involved in running a publishing company are ridiculous. Promotion alone can often cost more than your print bill. Establishing a presence at a show like Comic-con can cost a small publisher THOUSANDS of dollars, and if you make a thousand dollars a day selling product you might just break even... However, very few publishers can make that kind of money without a broad range of product, a few high ticket items and three or four employees managing the booth -- and, hey, costs of shipping, hotels and floor space just doubled... now you have to make $2,000 a day!

Chris Staros once told me that he attended 18 shows a year to build the TOP SHELF name, and for that kind of dedication, man, Chris and Brett DESERVE a piece of the action! Without companies like TOP SHELF, PLANET LAR/AiT and IDW there&#039;d be a whole boatful of creators who&#039;d have sunk without trace. Like so many other former self publishing creators (Paul Grist, Robert Kirkman, Tom Scioli), I&#039;ve taken my book (ELEPHANTMEN) to IMAGE where it can enjoy better exposure, better Diamond discounts (and storage!), better credit terms and unit prices with printers, overship opportunities and cross promotion with other titles. Having learned all about the ups and downs of self-publishing, I&#039;m happy to give IMAGE their monthly fees and a cut of trade paperback sales.

Personally, I&#039;m amazed that Dan Vado has stuck it out for so long -- he&#039;s a better man than I am, Gunga Din, and I salute him! Even so, I&#039;m not AT ALL surprised that he&#039;d do things differently now. After just three years publishing other creators&#039; properties, I&#039;m already doing things differently!

Rich!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve published a handful of creator owned books (STRANGE EMBRACE, FLY CHRONICLES, THE SPIRAL CAGE and SKIDMARKS) which I have no stake in, a couple or three of which I have a small piece (SOLSTICE, GUNPOWDER GIRL and BALLAST) and two books which I wholly create and wholly own (HIP FLASK and ELEPHANTMEN.</p>
<p>Of the three deals I can tell you that I definitely prefer the last, but I learned a lot by working with other creators and published their properties not because I wanted to make money on ancilliary rights, but because I thought they were great pieces of work and wanted to help my friends get their books out there. Many of the creators I&#8217;ve published are people I&#8217;ve worked with and known a long time and I prefer NOT to get into how much I&#8217;ve spent and why I should perhaps get more&#8230; nevertheless I fully understand why other publishers have a 50/50 or 35/65 take-it-or-leave-it deal on all rights relating to creators&#8217; properties. Publishers have to think about their future as well as yours.</p>
<p>The costs involved in running a publishing company are ridiculous. Promotion alone can often cost more than your print bill. Establishing a presence at a show like Comic-con can cost a small publisher THOUSANDS of dollars, and if you make a thousand dollars a day selling product you might just break even&#8230; However, very few publishers can make that kind of money without a broad range of product, a few high ticket items and three or four employees managing the booth &#8212; and, hey, costs of shipping, hotels and floor space just doubled&#8230; now you have to make $2,000 a day!</p>
<p>Chris Staros once told me that he attended 18 shows a year to build the TOP SHELF name, and for that kind of dedication, man, Chris and Brett DESERVE a piece of the action! Without companies like TOP SHELF, PLANET LAR/AiT and IDW there&#8217;d be a whole boatful of creators who&#8217;d have sunk without trace. Like so many other former self publishing creators (Paul Grist, Robert Kirkman, Tom Scioli), I&#8217;ve taken my book (ELEPHANTMEN) to IMAGE where it can enjoy better exposure, better Diamond discounts (and storage!), better credit terms and unit prices with printers, overship opportunities and cross promotion with other titles. Having learned all about the ups and downs of self-publishing, I&#8217;m happy to give IMAGE their monthly fees and a cut of trade paperback sales.</p>
<p>Personally, I&#8217;m amazed that Dan Vado has stuck it out for so long &#8212; he&#8217;s a better man than I am, Gunga Din, and I salute him! Even so, I&#8217;m not AT ALL surprised that he&#8217;d do things differently now. After just three years publishing other creators&#8217; properties, I&#8217;m already doing things differently!</p>
<p>Rich!</p>
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		<title>By: Jennifer de Guzman</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2007/03/05/vado-i-would-own-it-all/#comment-13404</link>
		<dc:creator>Jennifer de Guzman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Mar 2007 19:16:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tag, don&#039;t you think that Dan&#039;s comment reflects his recognition of the changing nature of the industry rather than grousing? I do. I don&#039;t see the &quot;grousing&quot; here, in fact. Dan was answering a question completely honestly. It&#039;s almost a shock to seeing someone being so honest in a public forum, even though I am used to how straightforward Dan is after working for him for nearly six years now.

Eh, I was going to type more, but I have to get a bunch of comics and graphic novels to the printer. It&#039;s like it&#039;s my job or something.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tag, don&#8217;t you think that Dan&#8217;s comment reflects his recognition of the changing nature of the industry rather than grousing? I do. I don&#8217;t see the &#8220;grousing&#8221; here, in fact. Dan was answering a question completely honestly. It&#8217;s almost a shock to seeing someone being so honest in a public forum, even though I am used to how straightforward Dan is after working for him for nearly six years now.</p>
<p>Eh, I was going to type more, but I have to get a bunch of comics and graphic novels to the printer. It&#8217;s like it&#8217;s my job or something.</p>
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		<title>By: Tag</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2007/03/05/vado-i-would-own-it-all/#comment-13403</link>
		<dc:creator>Tag</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Mar 2007 06:41:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>About 15 years ago, when I was transitioning from what little interest I ever had in the mainstream to indie, it was more often than not SLG titles and creators who I gave my money to (ie, Dorkin, Vasquez, Valentino, et al).  As far as I can tell, those foundations are still in place, despite success from outside the SLG camp, as well as outside comics.  When I was first considering making my own comics, it was SLG through which  I first thought of trying to get my book published, and I told Dan so at WizardWorld Chicago &#039;99 (which he greeted with characteristic nonchalance).  So I have mad love for Slave Labor and Dan as its human incarnation.

That said, Dan&#039;s got to recognize that the &quot;rules&quot; by which the comics industry has operated for so long are in their final stages of breaking down, and that if one wishes to be a successful businessman, even in comics, you&#039;ve got to rely less on bonhomie and more on contract decisions based upon product evaluations in the context of market research.  However, if he wants to continue as an innovator and caterer to the comics zeitgeist, and I hope he does, he has to accept the inevitable risk of little if any reward that comes with the territory.  Somehow others in his position have been able to balance these factors, encouraging loyalty and respecting creators&#039; rights while also putting out products that are safer bets.

But don&#039;t grouse about not being adequately compensated or recognized for making the almost purely virtuous choice.  You don&#039;t make that choice and expect to profit by it; if you&#039;re lucky, you might die with the coins for your eyes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>About 15 years ago, when I was transitioning from what little interest I ever had in the mainstream to indie, it was more often than not SLG titles and creators who I gave my money to (ie, Dorkin, Vasquez, Valentino, et al).  As far as I can tell, those foundations are still in place, despite success from outside the SLG camp, as well as outside comics.  When I was first considering making my own comics, it was SLG through which  I first thought of trying to get my book published, and I told Dan so at WizardWorld Chicago &#8216;99 (which he greeted with characteristic nonchalance).  So I have mad love for Slave Labor and Dan as its human incarnation.</p>
<p>That said, Dan&#8217;s got to recognize that the &#8220;rules&#8221; by which the comics industry has operated for so long are in their final stages of breaking down, and that if one wishes to be a successful businessman, even in comics, you&#8217;ve got to rely less on bonhomie and more on contract decisions based upon product evaluations in the context of market research.  However, if he wants to continue as an innovator and caterer to the comics zeitgeist, and I hope he does, he has to accept the inevitable risk of little if any reward that comes with the territory.  Somehow others in his position have been able to balance these factors, encouraging loyalty and respecting creators&#8217; rights while also putting out products that are safer bets.</p>
<p>But don&#8217;t grouse about not being adequately compensated or recognized for making the almost purely virtuous choice.  You don&#8217;t make that choice and expect to profit by it; if you&#8217;re lucky, you might die with the coins for your eyes.</p>
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		<title>By: markus</title>
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		<dc:creator>markus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Mar 2007 06:37:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really wish people like Mr. Kochalka would stop comparing book distribution to comics distribution without detailing why the comparison is appropriate in that particular case. Yes, books are mostly creator owned but OTOH most TV and film work isn&#039;t and both have exactly zero relevance to the DM business model.
Now, if one is talking specifics, like e.g. heavily serialised books targetted mostly at adolescent males and sold mostly on the basis of the underlying IP, we&#039;d find lots of books _in that segement_ which are not creator owned at all.
But, back to the original point, the comparison to books may have relevance in some cases, but in general it&#039;s still comparing two different media. That gap closes for stand-alone books by a single creator, but those are - for better or worse - hardly what is usually understood by &quot;comics&quot;. Vado was talking about a business model for the DM.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really wish people like Mr. Kochalka would stop comparing book distribution to comics distribution without detailing why the comparison is appropriate in that particular case. Yes, books are mostly creator owned but OTOH most TV and film work isn&#8217;t and both have exactly zero relevance to the DM business model.<br />
Now, if one is talking specifics, like e.g. heavily serialised books targetted mostly at adolescent males and sold mostly on the basis of the underlying IP, we&#8217;d find lots of books _in that segement_ which are not creator owned at all.<br />
But, back to the original point, the comparison to books may have relevance in some cases, but in general it&#8217;s still comparing two different media. That gap closes for stand-alone books by a single creator, but those are &#8211; for better or worse &#8211; hardly what is usually understood by &#8220;comics&#8221;. Vado was talking about a business model for the DM.</p>
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		<title>By: Rikki Simons</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2007/03/05/vado-i-would-own-it-all/#comment-13401</link>
		<dc:creator>Rikki Simons</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Mar 2007 04:00:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the best model for publishing, whether comics or prose, is the model used by most publishers outside the comics industry: that is, the publisher pays an advance for the book and the creator is then obligated to deliver.  The creator can only pick up stakes if he or she pays off their advance.  The advance doesn&#039;t have to be huge either.  Even a $5k advance on a single graphic novel is enough to keep most starting comics creators rooted to their publisher for years.

I think in the end all Dan is saying here is that he&#039;s tired of other publishers using him as an unpaid talent scout — but I also think he still has a greater loyalty rate than most publishers, because he&#039;s a good guy to work with.  I have four full graphic novels with Tokyopop now, but I still miss my time with SLG.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the best model for publishing, whether comics or prose, is the model used by most publishers outside the comics industry: that is, the publisher pays an advance for the book and the creator is then obligated to deliver.  The creator can only pick up stakes if he or she pays off their advance.  The advance doesn&#8217;t have to be huge either.  Even a $5k advance on a single graphic novel is enough to keep most starting comics creators rooted to their publisher for years.</p>
<p>I think in the end all Dan is saying here is that he&#8217;s tired of other publishers using him as an unpaid talent scout — but I also think he still has a greater loyalty rate than most publishers, because he&#8217;s a good guy to work with.  I have four full graphic novels with Tokyopop now, but I still miss my time with SLG.</p>
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		<title>By: michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Mar 2007 02:17:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love SLG books and will continue to buy many of their creator owned books that I like.  I think SLG is one of the top, premier indie companies out there, but it is a bit disheartening to hear how disappointed Vado is with his chosen business.

If the company can support itself AND talented creators out there, what is there to be unhappy about?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love SLG books and will continue to buy many of their creator owned books that I like.  I think SLG is one of the top, premier indie companies out there, but it is a bit disheartening to hear how disappointed Vado is with his chosen business.</p>
<p>If the company can support itself AND talented creators out there, what is there to be unhappy about?</p>
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		<title>By: adistantsoil.com &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Slave Labor and Dan Vado</title>
		<link>http://www.comicsbeat.com/2007/03/05/vado-i-would-own-it-all/#comment-13399</link>
		<dc:creator>adistantsoil.com &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Slave Labor and Dan Vado</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Mar 2007 00:53:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] A very interesting discussion at The Beat, with Dan Vado declaring that creator owned comics are a bad business model for comics publishers. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] A very interesting discussion at The Beat, with Dan Vado declaring that creator owned comics are a bad business model for comics publishers. [...]</p>
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